Canada 2011 Official Thread

[cinyc]

Tories steady, Grits drop, dippers on a roll.....

The Dippers' "Not So Great Canadian Moments" ads are very good - true comparison ads that start negative, but end positive.  The Conservative's ad campaign is also good, but more negative.  The Liberals' ads stink - disjointed with no coherent message.

[You kip if you want to...]

Tories steady, Grits drop, dippers on a roll.....

The Dippers' "Not So Great Canadian Moments" ads are very good - true comparison ads that start negative, but end positive.  The Conservative's ad campaign is also good, but more negative.  The Liberals' ads stink - disjointed with no coherent message.

I wish party advertising was allowed in the UK...

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Not a fan of Party Political Broadcasts?

[You kip if you want to...]

Not a fan of Party Political Broadcasts?

3 over the course of a month long campaign isn't as... interesting.

[Meeker]

What's with the focus on human smuggling in the Conservative ads? Is that really an important issue in Canada?

[Foucaulf]

What's with the focus on human smuggling in the Conservative ads? Is that really an important issue in Canada?

It fits into the Conservative strategy--pleasing the immigrants while appeasing the base. Rural Canadians are much like Americans in their perception of foreigners, but the same foreigners are the potential voters Harper needs to gain urban ridings. Harper therefore pins the tail on illegal migrants instead! It's not as if they have a voice in detention.

A less biased look at the issue would be that it's a continuation of the debate over Canada's open-door policy. Right-wing politicians will say that such a policy leads to more human smuggling and that a more restricted criterion be used. Left-wing politicians will keep the status quo as a means to continue population growth, and to oppose demonizing minority populations.

This issue really heated up after a boat of Tamil migrants landed in BC last year. Google that for the specifics.

[cinyc]

What's with the focus on human smuggling in the Conservative ads? Is that really an important issue in Canada?

There have been at least two refugee ships that landed in B.C. over the past few years.  Once the smuggled individuals land in Canada, they usually make a refugee claim and can stay in the country pending a hearing.  Most often, they are released from custody almost immediately.  And it costs something like $150,000 to process each claim.  So there's little deterrence to trying to get into Canada via the back door, and it's costly to process them.

I think Conservatives are raising this issue in part to argue that they are supposedly tough on crime while the other parties who blocked their proposed reform bill aren't.  I suppose the issue is also partially geared toward galvanizing those who have jumped through the hoops to legally emigrate to Canada.  People who abuse the system get in immediately, why they have a difficult time getting their own family in legally.  Of course, that strategy could easily backfire.

This is probably a bigger issue in B.C. than elsewhere - except perhaps, Quebec, where immigration from non-French speaking areas isn't very well liked.  Quebec wants full control over immigration there - but that's a whole different issue.

[MaxQue]

This is probably a bigger issue in B.C. than elsewhere - except perhaps, Quebec, where immigration from non-French speaking areas isn't very well liked.  Quebec wants full control over immigration there - but that's a whole different issue.

Quebec is having different ads than the rest of Canada.
Even political parties have different slogans.

See, Conservative Party.
"Here for Canada" in English
"Notre région au pouvoir" (Our region to power) in French.

NDP does the same thing.

[You kip if you want to...]

This is probably a bigger issue in B.C. than elsewhere - except perhaps, Quebec, where immigration from non-French speaking areas isn't very well liked.  Quebec wants full control over immigration there - but that's a whole different issue.

"Notre région au pouvoir" (Our region to power) in French.

What does "Our region to power" mean? Or does it just not translate well?

[cinyc]

This is probably a bigger issue in B.C. than elsewhere - except perhaps, Quebec, where immigration from non-French speaking areas isn't very well liked.  Quebec wants full control over immigration there - but that's a whole different issue.

Quebec is having different ads than the rest of Canada.
Even political parties have different slogans.

See, Conservative Party.
"Here for Canada" in English
"Notre région au pouvoir" (Our region to power) in French.

NDP does the same thing.

I believe the Tory human smuggling ad was also made in French.  Whether it or any of these ads have been shown on TV is something I can't answer.  

Nor can I critique the Bloc's ads, since I don't speak French.  From what I understand, their slogan translates into something like "let's talk about Quebec", which seems pretty lame.  Why just talk about Quebec?  Do something.

What does "Our region to power" mean? Or does it just not translate well?

It means vote Conservative to put Quebec in power by electing reps in the top vote-getting party that will form the government.  By implication, voting Bloc is a waste since they will never form the government.

[MaxQue]

This is probably a bigger issue in B.C. than elsewhere - except perhaps, Quebec, where immigration from non-French speaking areas isn't very well liked.  Quebec wants full control over immigration there - but that's a whole different issue.

Quebec is having different ads than the rest of Canada.
Even political parties have different slogans.

See, Conservative Party.
"Here for Canada" in English
"Notre région au pouvoir" (Our region to power) in French.

NDP does the same thing.

I believe the Tory human smuggling ad was also made in French.  Whether it or any of these ads have been shown on TV is something I can't answer. 

Nor can I critique the Bloc's ads, since I don't speak French.  From Their slogan - translating into something like let's talk about Quebec - is pretty lame.  Why just talk about Quebec?  Do something.

It is hard to do things when you are in perpertual opposition and hated in the other provinces.

Refudiate: "Our region into power"? In short, it means "elect someone which is in the party in power, so your region participates in the exercise of the power."

Which is lies, since the only regions which was power are Calgary, Tar Sands Land and Bible Belt.

[Hash]

What does "Our region to power" mean? Or does it just not translate well?

Basically it means "elect an MP who will be on the side of power and will get you advantages for your home turf". It's not a bad slogan, but in reality it's "elect a useless tool who will vote party-line and do nothing all day" - I'd know, because I have the great opportunity of having a Tory MP.

[cinyc]

It is hard to do things when you are in perpertual opposition and hated in the other provinces.

Refudiate: "Our region into power"? In short, it means "elect someone which is in the party in power, so your region participates in the exercise of the power."

Which is lies, since the only regions which was power are Calgary, Tar Sands Land and Bible Belt.

Eh, the Bloc's slogan opens them up to the accusation that all they do is talk, not get results.  I know the Liberals are using it against them - as they should.  It's not a great slogan.

[MaxQue]

It is hard to do things when you are in perpertual opposition and hated in the other provinces.

Refudiate: "Our region into power"? In short, it means "elect someone which is in the party in power, so your region participates in the exercise of the power."

Which is lies, since the only regions which was power are Calgary, Tar Sands Land and Bible Belt.

Eh, the Bloc's slogan opens them up to the accusation that all they do is talk, not get results.  I know the Liberals are using it against them - as they should.  It's not a great slogan.

I was not defending Bloc, I was rather bashing it for being in perpertual opposition. It can't the Prime Minister seat and refuse to be part of a government.

Conservative slogan is bad. Bloc slogan is bad. Liberals don't really have a slogan. For NDP, I'll not comment.

[Meeker]

Layton is in PEI today for some reason.

[Marokai Backbeat]

The Liberals' ads stink - disjointed with no coherent message.

Seems perfect for the Liberals, then.

[Hatman 🍁]

Layton is in PEI today for some reason.

PEI, the worst place for the NDP. Only once it is history has it even elected an NDP MLA. Speaking of that MLA, I believe his wife is running.

Scratch that, it's the wife of a former leader, but it was a different guy who was the MLA (Herb Dickieson).

[The Vorlon]

      Tories   Grits   Dippers   Bloq
14-Apr-11   Nanos   38.7   28.8   18.6   9
13-Apr-11   Forum   36   25   22   7
14-Apr-11   EKOS   35.3   27.8   18   9.6
13-Apr-11   COMPAS   45   24   16   8
13-Apr-11   Innovative Research   39   28   17   9
10-Apr-11   Harris Decima   40   28   15   8
   
               

http://www.nanosresearch.com/election2011/20110414-BallotE.pdf

http://www.hilltimes.com/dailyupdate/view/way_open_of_harper_majority_forum_research_nationwide_poll_04-15-2011

http://ipolitics.ca/2011/04/15/debates-hold-little-sway-on-voters-ekos-research/

http://www.compas.ca/data/110413-NationalElectionPoll_Prt1-VoteIntentions-EPCB.pdf

http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/04/12/harper-still-far-from-majority-poll/

http://www.harrisdecima.ca/news/releases/201104/1117-conservatives-regain-double-digit-lead

[Bacon King]

Liberals are polling pretty consistently, but both the Conseratives and the NDP are all over the place between those different pollsters.

[Meeker]

Where did EKOS have the NDP last time?

[Хahar 🤔]

If somehow the dream becomes a reality, then Canada would only have to adopt cricket as a major sport and they might fit in with the rest of the club

Fortunately Canada's bat-and-ball sport of choice is the superior one.

[minionofmidas]

Tories steady, Grits drop, dippers on a roll.....

To fairly minor extent, both of that.

In other words, default Canadian election season.

[Hatman 🍁]

If somehow the dream becomes a reality, then Canada would only have to adopt cricket as a major sport and they might fit in with the rest of the club

Fortunately Canada's bat-and-ball sport of choice is the superior one.

Ha. At this point, I wouldn't be so sure... Baseball is getting less and less popular, while cricket is becoming more and more popular. Unfortunately, they didn't show any World Cup games on any main channel, unless you got a special cable package.
Interesting note, in the 1800s, cricket was the most popular sport in Canada, but it was overtaken by ice hockey and baseball. While I enjoy the odd baseball game, I would love to see cricket on TV.

[cinyc]

Today's Nanos - More of the Same:

Conservative	38.8%	+0.1
Liberal	28.8%	NC    -
NDP	19.2%	+0.6
BQ	8.5%	-0.5
Green	3.4%	-0.3

(3 days ending April 15)

[ottermax]

Nothing has surprised me yet, but it seems like support for the Greens has totally collapsed. Are the polls just underestimating the Green vote or does anyone else think that the Greens may in bad electoral shape?