Conderate states never rejoin US

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Wilson was from Virginia.

[12th Doctor]

yeah, good point.  You wouldn't likely have people like Carter, Gore, Clinton, or either Bush since they'd be in the "confereate states".  Jfern continues in making crummy posts...

Acctually, the Bush's probably would have stayed in Conn.  However, it is likely that there would be no Bushs today, as we know them, because, without a certain circle of precise events, George and Barbra never would have met, thus, there would be no "Dubya" or Jeb as we know them, in the very least.  I can annticipate jfern dancing at the thought.

Also, assuming the time line would have stayed together as much as possible and not totally fragmented into something we wouldn't recongnize, there would be no Bill "Clinton" because Clinton's biological father (Blythe) would never have died in a freak car crash on the way home from Illinois.

And, Grant would have probably died a poverty stricken, drunken, nobody, had the Union lost the war.

And also, a Republican Party that lost the war probably wouldn't be nearly as prominant as the acctual party.  At best, they would be the competitive centrist party in a three party system.

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I'm working on a timeline where the south wins the ACW due to the border states all opting to secede too and no fort sumter(gives the south more time to prepare). The US eventualyl retakes some of the border states but in 2005 the confederacy is still around. Its a militaristic apartheid slave state superpower by now. The US is a technocratic nation and the world economic/space superpower.

This is highly unlikely.  First, it is based on the assumption that the South, pre-Civil War, was fundamentally racist.  This is not the case.  The anti-bellum South was prodominantly paternalistic (and still is to some extent, even today).  The slave owners who treated their slaves well (which made up the vast majority, BTW) didn't think it terms of White or Black so much as the Father-Family ralationship which existed between Wealthy Southern Gentalmen and, well, pretty much everyone else.  Wealthy Southern men saw it more as their duty to community and God to "take care" of people who were, for whatever reason, of lower circumstances than themselves, including poor whites.

In fact, institutionalized racism was acctually more popular in the North, as Northern "intellectuals" were deeply involved in the formation of the various race theories, which sought to prove that North Western Europeans (except the Irish) were supirior to all other men, because of evolution.

Without the social collapse that came after the war, it is doubtful that racism would have been such a huge issue in the South as it was in the RTL, and blacks probably would have eventually been emancipated anyway.  Acctually, what is more possible than the senerio that you proposed is some sort of communist revolution which united poor white and blacks against the wealthy elite.

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Just to add fuel for States, I know, for a fact, that Louisiana permitted free blacks top own slaves.