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« on: August 23, 2011, 10:32:59 AM »
« edited: August 24, 2011, 11:59:29 PM by Hatman »

In his final letter to Canadians, Jack said that he wanted a timely leadership convention to be held in the new year.

While it is too early for the prospective candidates to decide whether or not they will be running, it will be interesting to take a look at those people who may run to replace him,

Here is an exhaustive list of possibles:

*Nathan Cullen, MP for Skeena-Bulkley Valley
*Randall Garrison, MP for Esquimalt-Juan de Fuca
*Dawn Black, MLA and former MP
*Peter Julian, MP for Burnaby-New Westminster
*Libby Davies, MP for Vancouver East and Deputy Leader
*Adrian Dix, Leader of the BC NDP (only if there is a provincial election in the meantime and he steps down)
*Linda Duncan, MP for Edmonton-Strathcona
*Ray Martin, former Alberta NDP leader
*Raj Pannu, former Alberta NDP leader
*Lorne Nystrom, former MP
*Bill Blaikie, former MP
*Gary Doer, former Manitoba Premier and current Ambassador to the US
*Rebecca Blaikie, party treasurer, daughter of Bill
*Pat Martin, MP for Winnipeg Centre
*Judy Wasylycia-Leis, former MP
*Niki Ashton, MP for Churchill
*Charlie Angus, MP for Timmins-James Bay
*Shelley Martel, former MPP
*Howard Hampton, former Ontario NDP leader
*Glenn Thibault, MP for Sudbury
*Brian Masse, MP for Windsor West
*Joe Comartin, MP for Windsor-Tecumseh
*Irene Mathysen, MP for London-Fanshawe
*David Christopherson, MP for Hamilton Centre
*Jagmeet Singh, NDP candidate
*Peggy Nash, MP for Parkdale-High Park
*Marilyn Churley, former MPP
*David Miller, former mayor of Toronto
*Rathika Sitsabaiesan, MP for Scarborough-Rouge River
*El-Farouk Khaki, former candidate
*Olivia Chow, MP for Trinity-Spadina (Jack's widow)
*Cheri diNovo, MPP
*Andrew Cash, MP for Davenport
*Paul Dewar, MP for Ottawa Centre
*Alex Munter, former Ottawa city councillor
*Thomas Mulcair, MP for Outremont, deputy leader (favoured to win so far)
*Francoise Boivin, MP for Gatineau
*Tyrone Benskin, MP for Jeanne-Le Ber
*Hoang Mai, MP for Broassard-La Prairie
*Helene Laverdiere, MP for Laurier-Ste Marie
*Romeo Saganash, MP for Abitibi-Baie-James-Nunavik
*Yvon Godin, MP for Acadie-Bathurst
*Elizabeth Weir, former NB NDP leader
*Darrell Dexter, Premier of Nova Scotia
*Megan Leslie, MP for Halifax
*Robert Chisholm, MP for Dartmouth-Cole Harbour
*Peter Stoffer, MP for Sackville-Eastern Shore
*Jack Harris, MP for St John's East
*Ryan Cleary, MP for St John's South-Mt Pearl
*Lorraine Michael, leader of NL NDP
*Pierre Ducasse, former candidate
*Hunter Tootoo, Nunavut MLA
*Brian Topp, President of the NDP
*Anne McGrath, former president of the NDP
*Jian Ghomeshi, radio host
*George Stroumboulopoulos, TV host
*Roy Romanow, former Premier of Saskatchewan
*Shaun Majumder, comedian
*Barry Weisleder, head of the socialist caucus
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2011, 11:02:50 AM »

Draft Ruth Ellen.
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2011, 12:02:32 PM »

Nice list, I'm wondering if there are even more names perhaps outside of elected (prov/federal) politics that might run? Someone like Steven Page or Rick Mercer (that would just be fun)
 
I think we can safely eliminate some of those names right away...

Lorraine Michaels - going into an election with high hopes
Darrell Dexter - first premiership, I'm sure he'd like to be the "Doer of the East" so i don't expect him to leave NS
Black, Martin, Blaikie.... all used to be MP's then MLA's and now are retiring (except Martin, he might run provincial again)
... i would axe anyone over 70 (or darn close like Martin)
There are a lot of new MPs listed here, the only ones i think would run would be those with pretty weighty backgrounds (Saganash, Nash, Boivin)

Also... preferably after a leadership vote, a By-election will have to happen... TO-Danforth would be perfect for a leader with no seat; someone like Miller
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2011, 12:06:56 PM »

Well, I have some ideas for who may run in a by-election:

These names come to mind:
Marilyn Churley
Mike Layton (although he is the councillor in Trinity-Spadina)
Peter Tabuns
Mary Fragedakis
Paula Fletcher
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2011, 12:29:25 PM »

Well, I have some ideas for who may run in a by-election:

These names come to mind:
Marilyn Churley
Mike Layton (although he is the councillor in Trinity-Spadina)
Peter Tabuns
Mary Fragedakis
Paula Fletcher

The Only ones I'd say wouldn't run are:
Mike (not his riding) and Mary - both just won their council seats in October.

Peter is going into a provincial election this year... If the party does really well, i could see him run to replace Jack; if they perform poorly, I'd see him stick around at the provincial level as they would then need his experience and presence at Queens Park.
Paula - wouldn't it be funny that the councillor who replaced Jack, replaced him as MP. She's harder to pin down. She almost lost facing a "name" candidate in October and suffered some backlash against the Leslie Yard. But shes been a relatively vocal opponent of the Fordists, so she might just stay put to fight those bigger battles coming next budget.
Marilyn - I heard shes a JP now, which is one reason she didn't run in Beaches (which i am sure she mildly regrets now). I could see her run, shes in her late 60's now so maybe not.
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2011, 02:30:47 PM »

I'll admit that I know nothing of any of these people, except Mulcair being from Qubec. Who of these people has the best shot at securing the NDP's position in Qubec at the same time being able to appeal to the rest of Canada and further the party's strength there as well?
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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2011, 02:34:35 PM »

I still doubt than Mulcair is the favorite.

NDP has no members and no infrastructure in Quebec Province.
They would have to build up things very quickly this fall.
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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2011, 04:38:07 PM »
« Edited: August 23, 2011, 04:40:02 PM by Holmes »

I'd love Angus, of course. But I don't think he has "it". The issues he's most passionate about - first nation rights, net neutrality, anything pro-Northern Ontario - not many in Canada actually care about. Especially the last one.
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2011, 06:24:18 PM »

I don't want speculate who will or won't run, but whomever they choose should be someone who can keep unity between the Quebec and English Canada members, is left wing enough to keep the base happy but not so left wing it scares the majority of moderate Canadians.  More importantly the next leader should focus on the big issues that affect Canadians directly much Jack Layton did.  It may be tough to replace Layton, but his style of governance played a big role in the party's success so the next leader should embody this.  It will be interesting to see who Ed Broadbent endorses as he endorsed Layton despite the fact most of the caucus supported Bill Blaikie at the time.  If there is anyone who is good a spotting a potential winner it would be him.
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2011, 07:01:44 PM »

I still say Mulcair can not be beat.

Ontario in particular has always been willing to vote for whomever they think can win Quebec. Check the last federal election and how the NDP's poll numbers shot way up only after they did in Quebec.

Beyond that you need to remember the union movement does have guaranteed votes. While normally this might not mean much, it did elect the Labour leader over in the UK, and in a close race might be very important.
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2011, 07:18:03 PM »

I still say Mulcair can not be beat.

Ontario in particular has always been willing to vote for whomever they think can win Quebec. Check the last federal election and how the NDP's poll numbers shot way up only after they did in Quebec.

Beyond that you need to remember the union movement does have guaranteed votes. While normally this might not mean much, it did elect the Labour leader over in the UK, and in a close race might be very important.

The Quebec union movement doesn't vote, since all unions are affilied with Bloc.
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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2011, 08:11:37 PM »

Just for the record (which means that there's no need for anyone to actually respond to this post), the Boardbashi has no problems with this thread, given that Layton set the ball rolling with his last letter.
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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2011, 09:59:49 PM »

Just for the record (which means that there's no need for anyone to actually respond to this post), the Boardbashi has no problems with this thread, given that Layton set the ball rolling with his last letter.

Which is exactly why I didn't think it inappropriate.

I still say Mulcair can not be beat.

Ontario in particular has always been willing to vote for whomever they think can win Quebec. Check the last federal election and how the NDP's poll numbers shot way up only after they did in Quebec.

Beyond that you need to remember the union movement does have guaranteed votes. While normally this might not mean much, it did elect the Labour leader over in the UK, and in a close race might be very important.

The Quebec union movement doesn't vote, since all unions are affilied with Bloc.

Time to switch their affiliations then. I agree with Teddy. NDPers want a winner, and that's why they'll go with Mulcair. He is basically the person mileslunn described in his post. He will probably have my vote (not necessarily on the first ballot though, that will be to Peter Julian or Paul Dewar or something if either run)

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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2011, 10:04:26 PM »

Just for the record (which means that there's no need for anyone to actually respond to this post), the Boardbashi has no problems with this thread, given that Layton set the ball rolling with his last letter.

Which is exactly why I didn't think it inappropriate.

I still say Mulcair can not be beat.

Ontario in particular has always been willing to vote for whomever they think can win Quebec. Check the last federal election and how the NDP's poll numbers shot way up only after they did in Quebec.

Beyond that you need to remember the union movement does have guaranteed votes. While normally this might not mean much, it did elect the Labour leader over in the UK, and in a close race might be very important.

The Quebec union movement doesn't vote, since all unions are affilied with Bloc.

Time to switch their affiliations then. I agree with Teddy. NDPers want a winner, and that's why they'll go with Mulcair. He is basically the person mileslunn described in his post. He will probably have my vote (not necessarily on the first ballot though, that will be to Peter Julian or Paul Dewar or something if either run)



Members directly votes?
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« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2011, 10:11:49 PM »

Just for the record (which means that there's no need for anyone to actually respond to this post), the Boardbashi has no problems with this thread, given that Layton set the ball rolling with his last letter.

Which is exactly why I didn't think it inappropriate.

I still say Mulcair can not be beat.

Ontario in particular has always been willing to vote for whomever they think can win Quebec. Check the last federal election and how the NDP's poll numbers shot way up only after they did in Quebec.

Beyond that you need to remember the union movement does have guaranteed votes. While normally this might not mean much, it did elect the Labour leader over in the UK, and in a close race might be very important.

The Quebec union movement doesn't vote, since all unions are affilied with Bloc.

Time to switch their affiliations then.

Well, I think than the largest union, FTQ, is part of the CLC. Perhaps it is enough to be able to vote.
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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2011, 10:18:09 PM »

One out-of-caucus possibility the mainstream media is offering: Brian Topp.

Oh, and re "strike from the list for age reasons": Raj Pannu would be over 80 come the next federal election.
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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2011, 10:23:52 PM »

One out-of-caucus possibility the mainstream media is offering: Brian Topp.

He did a wonderful job from behind the scenes from what I heard. I suppose he may rather prefer to stay there, no? He has a little notoriety problem, too.
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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2011, 10:33:10 PM »

Just for the record (which means that there's no need for anyone to actually respond to this post), the Boardbashi has no problems with this thread, given that Layton set the ball rolling with his last letter.

Which is exactly why I didn't think it inappropriate.

I still say Mulcair can not be beat.

Ontario in particular has always been willing to vote for whomever they think can win Quebec. Check the last federal election and how the NDP's poll numbers shot way up only after they did in Quebec.

Beyond that you need to remember the union movement does have guaranteed votes. While normally this might not mean much, it did elect the Labour leader over in the UK, and in a close race might be very important.

The Quebec union movement doesn't vote, since all unions are affilied with Bloc.

Time to switch their affiliations then. I agree with Teddy. NDPers want a winner, and that's why they'll go with Mulcair. He is basically the person mileslunn described in his post. He will probably have my vote (not necessarily on the first ballot though, that will be to Peter Julian or Paul Dewar or something if either run)



Members directly votes?

75% of the vote comes from individual members yes. The other 25% is the so called "union vote", which is actually just affiliated organizations. While most of that means unions, theoretically a church group or a student council could affiliate themselves with the party and vote for a candidate.
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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2011, 10:51:35 PM »

Just for the record (which means that there's no need for anyone to actually respond to this post), the Boardbashi has no problems with this thread, given that Layton set the ball rolling with his last letter.

Which is exactly why I didn't think it inappropriate.

I still say Mulcair can not be beat.

Ontario in particular has always been willing to vote for whomever they think can win Quebec. Check the last federal election and how the NDP's poll numbers shot way up only after they did in Quebec.

Beyond that you need to remember the union movement does have guaranteed votes. While normally this might not mean much, it did elect the Labour leader over in the UK, and in a close race might be very important.

The Quebec union movement doesn't vote, since all unions are affilied with Bloc.

Time to switch their affiliations then. I agree with Teddy. NDPers want a winner, and that's why they'll go with Mulcair. He is basically the person mileslunn described in his post. He will probably have my vote (not necessarily on the first ballot though, that will be to Peter Julian or Paul Dewar or something if either run)



Members directly votes?

75% of the vote comes from individual members yes. The other 25% is the so called "union vote", which is actually just affiliated organizations. While most of that means unions, theoretically a church group or a student council could affiliate themselves with the party and vote for a candidate.

They will make us aware of how to vote, I suppose? (I joined NDP in February)
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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2011, 11:27:47 PM »

Just for the record (which means that there's no need for anyone to actually respond to this post), the Boardbashi has no problems with this thread, given that Layton set the ball rolling with his last letter.

Which is exactly why I didn't think it inappropriate.

I still say Mulcair can not be beat.

Ontario in particular has always been willing to vote for whomever they think can win Quebec. Check the last federal election and how the NDP's poll numbers shot way up only after they did in Quebec.

Beyond that you need to remember the union movement does have guaranteed votes. While normally this might not mean much, it did elect the Labour leader over in the UK, and in a close race might be very important.

The Quebec union movement doesn't vote, since all unions are affilied with Bloc.

Time to switch their affiliations then. I agree with Teddy. NDPers want a winner, and that's why they'll go with Mulcair. He is basically the person mileslunn described in his post. He will probably have my vote (not necessarily on the first ballot though, that will be to Peter Julian or Paul Dewar or something if either run)



Members directly votes?

75% of the vote comes from individual members yes. The other 25% is the so called "union vote", which is actually just affiliated organizations. While most of that means unions, theoretically a church group or a student council could affiliate themselves with the party and vote for a candidate.

They will make us aware of how to vote, I suppose? (I joined NDP in February)

Yes, of course. You will probably have to renew your membership soon so it will be good for next year so that you can vote.

Who do you think you would support?
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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2011, 11:38:03 PM »

Just for the record (which means that there's no need for anyone to actually respond to this post), the Boardbashi has no problems with this thread, given that Layton set the ball rolling with his last letter.

Which is exactly why I didn't think it inappropriate.

I still say Mulcair can not be beat.

Ontario in particular has always been willing to vote for whomever they think can win Quebec. Check the last federal election and how the NDP's poll numbers shot way up only after they did in Quebec.

Beyond that you need to remember the union movement does have guaranteed votes. While normally this might not mean much, it did elect the Labour leader over in the UK, and in a close race might be very important.

The Quebec union movement doesn't vote, since all unions are affilied with Bloc.

Time to switch their affiliations then. I agree with Teddy. NDPers want a winner, and that's why they'll go with Mulcair. He is basically the person mileslunn described in his post. He will probably have my vote (not necessarily on the first ballot though, that will be to Peter Julian or Paul Dewar or something if either run)



Members directly votes?

75% of the vote comes from individual members yes. The other 25% is the so called "union vote", which is actually just affiliated organizations. While most of that means unions, theoretically a church group or a student council could affiliate themselves with the party and vote for a candidate.

They will make us aware of how to vote, I suppose? (I joined NDP in February)

Yes, of course. You will probably have to renew your membership soon so it will be good for next year so that you can vote.

Who do you think you would support?

I don't know yet. Unlike you, I don't really know NDP MPs.
Especially than NDP MPs weren't really covered in the news before May in Quebec news.
But I quite like Mulcair, even if I dislike his Liberal past.

In fact, I never participed in a partisan event, because of timing problems. I did some pre-campaigning (calling people in March). Is that a problem which would deprive me of voting ability?

For renewing, I supposed they would sent me a letter or an email saying me I read to renew my membership. I'm not a very informed member, really sorry.
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« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2011, 11:56:42 PM »

Just for the record (which means that there's no need for anyone to actually respond to this post), the Boardbashi has no problems with this thread, given that Layton set the ball rolling with his last letter.

Which is exactly why I didn't think it inappropriate.

I still say Mulcair can not be beat.

Ontario in particular has always been willing to vote for whomever they think can win Quebec. Check the last federal election and how the NDP's poll numbers shot way up only after they did in Quebec.

Beyond that you need to remember the union movement does have guaranteed votes. While normally this might not mean much, it did elect the Labour leader over in the UK, and in a close race might be very important.

The Quebec union movement doesn't vote, since all unions are affilied with Bloc.

Time to switch their affiliations then. I agree with Teddy. NDPers want a winner, and that's why they'll go with Mulcair. He is basically the person mileslunn described in his post. He will probably have my vote (not necessarily on the first ballot though, that will be to Peter Julian or Paul Dewar or something if either run)



Members directly votes?

75% of the vote comes from individual members yes. The other 25% is the so called "union vote", which is actually just affiliated organizations. While most of that means unions, theoretically a church group or a student council could affiliate themselves with the party and vote for a candidate.

They will make us aware of how to vote, I suppose? (I joined NDP in February)

Yes, of course. You will probably have to renew your membership soon so it will be good for next year so that you can vote.

Who do you think you would support?


In fact, I never participed in a partisan event, because of timing problems. I did some pre-campaigning (calling people in March). Is that a problem which would deprive me of voting ability?


Um no, any member in good standing can vote. But, I do encourage your to become active in your local riding association- if you have one. I know they must be springing up like hot cakes in Quebec. They will probably be very happy to have to join up. If you're active enough you can take a leading role come the next election, and who knows, you may get some great political opportunities from that. It's always nice to be on the winning side.
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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2011, 12:02:35 AM »
« Edited: August 24, 2011, 12:04:40 AM by Chemistry & Sleep Deprivation »

They held the investiture ceremony of Mulcair and they sent me an email, but I wasn't avaliable that night. Since then, nothing.

And no sight of an riding association appearing in Abitibi.
In fact, my MP didn't inaugurated his office yet (He was supposed to do it on Wednesday, but, obviously, things changed.)

And my local association is Outremont, which is already active. I often receive a newsletter.

EDIT: I checked, both Abitibi associations are still based in Montreal and chaired by Anne-Marie Aubert, which is an NDP-Québec staffer.
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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2011, 12:07:14 AM »

They held the investiture ceremony of Mulcair and they sent me an email, but I wasn't avaliable that night. Since then, nothing.

And no sight of an riding association appearing in Abitibi.
In fact, my MP didn't inaugurated his office yet (He was supposed to do it on Wednesday, but, obviously, things changed.)

And my local association is Outremont, which is already active. I often receive a newsletter.

EDIT: I checked, both Abitibi associations are still based in Montreal and chaired by Anne-Marie Aubert, which is an NDP-Québec staffer.

Ahh then, it's time to create one! Wink

I guess if you're in Montreal most of the time, it would be pointless, but if you do spend a lot of time in Abitibi, you should go to the new office and talk to the staff about creating one. That is, if they are NDPers.
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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2011, 12:12:24 AM »

They held the investiture ceremony of Mulcair and they sent me an email, but I wasn't avaliable that night. Since then, nothing.

And no sight of an riding association appearing in Abitibi.
In fact, my MP didn't inaugurated his office yet (He was supposed to do it on Wednesday, but, obviously, things changed.)

And my local association is Outremont, which is already active. I often receive a newsletter.

EDIT: I checked, both Abitibi associations are still based in Montreal and chaired by Anne-Marie Aubert, which is an NDP-Québec staffer.

Ahh then, it's time to create one! Wink

I guess if you're in Montreal most of the time, it would be pointless, but if you do spend a lot of time in Abitibi, you should go to the new office and talk to the staff about creating one. That is, if they are NDPers.

I'm in Montreal too much time. I'm only in Abitibi during summer (and it is if I don't get an internshp next summer). Well, they succeded to find people to do phone calls for Saganash and to have a campaign office, I suppose they have enough people for launching an association. They perhaps wait the fall. I hope they launch one, it would be ridiculous to have an MP, but no association.
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