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kyc0705
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« on: September 17, 2017, 10:50:50 AM »

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2017, 11:26:31 AM »

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
If he picks Cory Booker or Kamala Harris as his VP, then he could easily balance the scale.

I think there's a decent chance Sanders could pick Harris as his running mate.
I doubt she'd accept.

If she won't run on a ticket with Sanders, then she definitely won't run on one with Manchin.
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kyc0705
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2017, 11:29:42 AM »
« Edited: September 17, 2017, 11:32:18 AM by kyc0705 »

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
If he picks Cory Booker or Kamala Harris as his VP, then he could easily balance the scale.

I think there's a decent chance Sanders could pick Harris as his running mate.
I doubt she'd accept.

If she won't run on a ticket with Sanders, then she definitely won't run on one with Manchin.
Except, Manchin is much more electable than Sanders. Bernie has such a grim past, while Manchin does not. If Bernie were the nominee, the GOP would tear him to shreds, and Booker or Harris wouldn't want their careers destroyed alongside his.

Untrue, especially for a Democratic base that wants ideological distance from Trump. Manchin was the only Senate Democrat to miss the vote on repealing DADT (he also didn't vote on a 2011 revision of the Now Very Relevant DREAM Act), and his coal past will make environmentalists angry. Sanders would have his own problems, but let's not pretend that someone like Manchin would magically unite progressives and centrists. 
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kyc0705
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2017, 11:38:01 AM »
« Edited: September 17, 2017, 11:40:23 AM by kyc0705 »

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
If he picks Cory Booker or Kamala Harris as his VP, then he could easily balance the scale.

I think there's a decent chance Sanders could pick Harris as his running mate.
I doubt she'd accept.

If she won't run on a ticket with Sanders, then she definitely won't run on one with Manchin.
Except, Manchin is much more electable than Sanders. Bernie has such a grim past, while Manchin does not. If Bernie were the nominee, the GOP would tear him to shreds, and Booker or Harris wouldn't want their careers destroyed alongside his.

Untrue, especially for a Democratic base that wants ideological distance from Trump. Manchin was the only Senate Democrat to miss the vote on repealing DADT (he also didn't vote on the Now Very Relevant DREAM Act), and his coal past will make environmentalists angry. Sanders would have his own problems, but let's not pretend that someone like Manchin would magically unite progressives and centrists. 
I forgot, Joe Manchin hung a Soviet flag in his office when he started his career as a State Delegate.

Oh wait, that was Bernie Sanders as Mayor of Burlington.

I forgot, Manchin said he would have voted against the DREAM Act if he had been in the Senate that day. That's the kind of thing that hurts you in a primary, even: "Joe Manchin isn't even principled enough to vote on his own bad stances."
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kyc0705
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2017, 11:40:49 AM »

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
If he picks Cory Booker or Kamala Harris as his VP, then he could easily balance the scale.

I think there's a decent chance Sanders could pick Harris as his running mate.
I doubt she'd accept.

If she won't run on a ticket with Sanders, then she definitely won't run on one with Manchin.
Except, Manchin is much more electable than Sanders. Bernie has such a grim past, while Manchin does not. If Bernie were the nominee, the GOP would tear him to shreds, and Booker or Harris wouldn't want their careers destroyed alongside his.

Untrue, especially for a Democratic base that wants ideological distance from Trump. Manchin was the only Senate Democrat to miss the vote on repealing DADT (he also didn't vote on the Now Very Relevant DREAM Act), and his coal past will make environmentalists angry. Sanders would have his own problems, but let's not pretend that someone like Manchin would magically unite progressives and centrists. 
I forgot, Joe Manchin hung a Soviet flag in his office when he started his career as a State Delegate.

Oh wait, that was Bernie Sanders as Mayor of Burlington.

I forgot, Manchin said he would have voted against the DREAM Act if he had been in the Senate that day. That's the kind of thing that hurts you in a primary, even: "Joe Manchin isn't even principled enough to vote on his own bad stances." Every other Dem running in 2020 would salivate at the chance to paint him as a Trump apologist DINO. And it would probably work.
Is it a bad thing that he's not an ideological hack like Sanders?

Bernie Sanders could be defeated by pointing out specific actions of his past, but it take some digging. Joe Manchin is kind enough to lay it all out on-the-record.
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kyc0705
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2017, 11:45:11 AM »

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
If he picks Cory Booker or Kamala Harris as his VP, then he could easily balance the scale.

I think there's a decent chance Sanders could pick Harris as his running mate.
I doubt she'd accept.

If she won't run on a ticket with Sanders, then she definitely won't run on one with Manchin.
Except, Manchin is much more electable than Sanders. Bernie has such a grim past, while Manchin does not. If Bernie were the nominee, the GOP would tear him to shreds, and Booker or Harris wouldn't want their careers destroyed alongside his.

Untrue, especially for a Democratic base that wants ideological distance from Trump. Manchin was the only Senate Democrat to miss the vote on repealing DADT (he also didn't vote on the Now Very Relevant DREAM Act), and his coal past will make environmentalists angry. Sanders would have his own problems, but let's not pretend that someone like Manchin would magically unite progressives and centrists. 
I forgot, Joe Manchin hung a Soviet flag in his office when he started his career as a State Delegate.

Oh wait, that was Bernie Sanders as Mayor of Burlington.

I forgot, Manchin said he would have voted against the DREAM Act if he had been in the Senate that day. That's the kind of thing that hurts you in a primary, even: "Joe Manchin isn't even principled enough to vote on his own bad stances." Every other Dem running in 2020 would salivate at the chance to paint him as a Trump apologist DINO. And it would probably work.
Is it a bad thing that he's not an ideological hack like Sanders?

Bernie Sanders could be defeated by pointing out specific actions of his past, but it take some digging. Joe Manchin is kind enough to lay it all out on-the-record.
This isn't even the tip of the iceberg

Repeating that Bernie Sanders is a flawed candidate does not suddenly make Joe Manchin a good one. If anything, it shows that you also don't have any idea how he would deflect or dispel the criticisms which would inevitably be brought against him by his primary opponents.
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