Ireland General Discussion

[politicus]

Civilized abortion law about to be enacted.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/01/world/europe/ireland-abortion/

[politicus]

Interesting. I thought there was a general amnesty.

Only for those already convicted.

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The poll result. People (by which I mean posters here) have been taking about the collapse of the present political system and with "other" at #1 and SF at #2 that seems to be happening.

It is - so far - a single poll.

The traditional party system went in 2011 with the collapse of FF. Or at least that was Act I of the drama.

What happened two weeks ago was that FG discovered that they, too, were mortal. (Labour had figured that out last year. What they haven't figured out is what to do about it.)

How would you guess the Irish party system looks like 5 years from now?

EDIT: By which I mean what would be the approximate strength of the parties and their relation to each other?

[politicus]

Seems that Irish politics has gone the way of Greece.

With Sinn Fein as Syriza and Labour as Pasok it kinda makes sense. Still, they have two versions of ND.

Not sure who would be ANEL and they, thankfully, have no Golden Dawn.

[politicus]

Seems that Irish politics has gone the way of Greece.

With Sinn Fein as Syriza and Labour as Pasok it kinda makes sense. Still, they have two versions of ND.

Not sure who would be ANEL and they, thankfully, have no Golden Dawn.

The new 'Independents Alliance' party would be ANEL. Although SF = SYRIZA is not a point I would emphasize too much.

Nah, SF = Syriza is a bit of light trolling.

How much of the 27% independents and others in that last poll would go to the Independents Alliance? And who are the rest?

[politicus]

I don't think there's such scope for a Golden Dawn-type party here; the nature of our institutions and the particularly popular (and populist) nature of Irish nationalism works against that.

The second part is obvious (and crucial IMO), but what do you mean by "the nature of our institutions"? The election system?

[politicus]

BLUESHIRTS MK2.

It didn't work well the first time. It won't the second time, indeed, it'd be more of a joke the second time around.

Somehow it doesn't look right when Irish people do that kind of thing.

[politicus]

Where are you getting those numbers, politicus?

Irish Central, but old poll, sorry!

[politicus]

a certain Maltese-based O'Ligarch.

Name?

[politicus]

1986 isn't 30 years ago. How is this related to the 30 year rule?

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Seems the people that actually had Haughey as Taoiseach can do without reliving the experience. But sad to see almost a quarter of the youngs answer "yes".

Weird a/o swop in the headline.

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"These are men and women who are going to have the opportunity to go to work and that means getting on the employment ladder, being able to buy the car, the boyfriend, the girlfriend, buy the boots or whatever. Live a life, as it were."

Enda Kenny, 2015

government sets target of full employment by 2018!

So Enda Kenny is in favour of human trafficking?