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Fuzzy Bear
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« on: March 11, 2018, 09:23:15 PM »

1. Immigration. This is the biggest reason by far. No other issue has such a huge disparity between the people and the politicians.

2. Trump's gaffes at least showed that he wasn't another scripted politician pushing focus group approved talking points 24/7. It was seen as crude, but genuine.

3. The media discredited itself. The inability to maintain even a semblance of impartiality reduced caused many people to tune it out completely even when there were fair criticisms to be made.

4. The establishment regarded the people and the issues faced in Middle America with condescension, if not outright contempt, and deliberately tried to subvert them. From the Colorado GOP refusing to have a primary so Trump wouldn't win delegates, to the DNC and media colluding against Sanders while super-delegates made it impossible for him to win, to National Review saying white working class communities should die, to Hillary calling 1/4 of America deplorable and bragging about how she would put coal miners out of work, it was a recipe for backlash.

This.  The only thiing I would add to this is the fact that most Americans agree with Trump on trade.

Trump positioned himself (A) right in the middle of the electorate as a whole (B) in a place where a significant number of Republicans were at, but who could not find another Republican who really represented their issues.  It kills folks to admit this, but Donald Trump has his finger on the pulse of America moreso than any other politician since Reagan.  The Trump Deniers that populate Atlas can't bring themselves to admit that not only is Trump not an idiot, he's a lot sharper than they are.

Trump keeps winning.  He wins ugly at times, but he wins.  He's winning now, remaking the GOP to conform to HIS platform (something Jimmy Carter failed to do, and it cost him a 2nd term).  Trump is all in as a Republican, and going about it the way the leader of his political party ought to be.  He "gets it" far, far more than his enemies will concede.  Frankly, I don't think you can stop a man who is as underestimated by his enemies as Trump continues to be.
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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2018, 07:31:04 AM »

1. Immigration. This is the biggest reason by far. No other issue has such a huge disparity between the people and the politicians.

2. Trump's gaffes at least showed that he wasn't another scripted politician pushing focus group approved talking points 24/7. It was seen as crude, but genuine.

3. The media discredited itself. The inability to maintain even a semblance of impartiality reduced caused many people to tune it out completely even when there were fair criticisms to be made.

4. The establishment regarded the people and the issues faced in Middle America with condescension, if not outright contempt, and deliberately tried to subvert them. From the Colorado GOP refusing to have a primary so Trump wouldn't win delegates, to the DNC and media colluding against Sanders while super-delegates made it impossible for him to win, to National Review saying white working class communities should die, to Hillary calling 1/4 of America deplorable and bragging about how she would put coal miners out of work, it was a recipe for backlash.

This.  The only thiing I would add to this is the fact that most Americans agree with Trump on trade.

Trump positioned himself (A) right in the middle of the electorate as a whole (B) in a place where a significant number of Republicans were at, but who could not find another Republican who really represented their issues.  It kills folks to admit this, but Donald Trump has his finger on the pulse of America moreso than any other politician since Reagan.  The Trump Deniers that populate Atlas can't bring themselves to admit that not only is Trump not an idiot, he's a lot sharper than they are.

Trump keeps winning.  He wins ugly at times, but he wins.  He's winning now, remaking the GOP to conform to HIS platform (something Jimmy Carter failed to do, and it cost him a 2nd term).  Trump is all in as a Republican, and going about it the way the leader of his political party ought to be.  He "gets it" far, far more than his enemies will concede.  Frankly, I don't think you can stop a man who is as underestimated by his enemies as Trump continues to be.


No the Bad Economy and Iran Hostage Crises cost Carter


If the Economy Was Good and their was no Iran Hostage Crises Carter gets reelected

Carter may well have been re-elected if there was no Ted Kennedy challenge.  Carter was unable to preempt a challenge not just from some liberal Senator, but from the highest profile Democratic Senator in the country. 

Carter was uninterested in party building.  Had he convinced Democratic officeholders that the key to continued Democratic hegemony was to build a broad-based moderate party, to recognize that liberals in the party could not get everything they wanted, but that conservatives in the party could not collaborate with Republicans and fail to support the national ticket and expect the benefits of being a Democrat to come their way.  He was unable to do this; he didn't even really try.  He failed to learn the lesson of his 1976 election, where liberals willingly settled (losing 49 states in 1972 helped them along) and conservatives went along (hence, success in 10 Southern states).
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2018, 07:38:11 AM »

1. Immigration. This is the biggest reason by far. No other issue has such a huge disparity between the people and the politicians.

2. Trump's gaffes at least showed that he wasn't another scripted politician pushing focus group approved talking points 24/7. It was seen as crude, but genuine.

3. The media discredited itself. The inability to maintain even a semblance of impartiality reduced caused many people to tune it out completely even when there were fair criticisms to be made.

4. The establishment regarded the people and the issues faced in Middle America with condescension, if not outright contempt, and deliberately tried to subvert them. From the Colorado GOP refusing to have a primary so Trump wouldn't win delegates, to the DNC and media colluding against Sanders while super-delegates made it impossible for him to win, to National Review saying white working class communities should die, to Hillary calling 1/4 of America deplorable and bragging about how she would put coal miners out of work, it was a recipe for backlash.

This.  The only thiing I would add to this is the fact that most Americans agree with Trump on trade.

Trump positioned himself (A) right in the middle of the electorate as a whole (B) in a place where a significant number of Republicans were at, but who could not find another Republican who really represented their issues.  It kills folks to admit this, but Donald Trump has his finger on the pulse of America moreso than any other politician since Reagan.  The Trump Deniers that populate Atlas can't bring themselves to admit that not only is Trump not an idiot, he's a lot sharper than they are.

Trump keeps winning.  He wins ugly at times, but he wins.  He's winning now, remaking the GOP to conform to HIS platform (something Jimmy Carter failed to do, and it cost him a 2nd term).  Trump is all in as a Republican, and going about it the way the leader of his political party ought to be.  He "gets it" far, far more than his enemies will concede.  Frankly, I don't think you can stop a man who is as underestimated by his enemies as Trump continues to be.

Trump lost the popular vote by 2% vs the worst candidate since McGovern.

Trump got destroyed by miniority America. Quite frankly, you have no understanding of miniority America.

Miniority America is growing.

Also, Trump keeps losing a bunch of special elections, so not sure how he "keeps winning". 42% approval rating during a good economy handed down to him by free market conditions is pretty terrible. Trump has lost former swing Republican voters like me for 10 years.  

By the way, I live in rural white (& black) Georgia, and a lot of people down here who voted for him regret it. I live in the "Heartland" of America, and boy do they dislike him even here.


Before 2010, Obama did OK in special elections.  I would also suggest that his losses in NJ and VA governor races in 2009 were due to the weaknesses of the Democratic candidates. 

I have more of an understanding of "minority America" than you believe.  I also understand the rank Identity Politics that the Democrats have immersed themselves in, regardless of the harm that does to the nation.  (And, yes, I understand the white identity politics of the Deep South.) 

Trump worked around that to victory.  It's an outcome that I doubt can be duplicated, but it's as if (A) he was incredibly lucky, or (B) his targeting of voters was the most ingenious of my lifetime.  Really, Trump's victory coudn't have happened any other way.
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