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« on: August 17, 2007, 01:09:27 PM »
I think so. He turned grassroots Democrats against gun control (go look at DU). As a result now the Democratic Party has reached a point where it won't fight for gun control, and since the Republicans obviously won't, that makes gun control dead.

Howard Dean has brought an end to the gun control essentially.
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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2007, 01:15:55 PM »
have you sent your dues into the nra yet?
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2007, 01:17:26 PM »
« Edited: August 17, 2007, 01:29:06 PM by The General »
As a national issue?  Perhaps, but it was dealt the most damage by the 2000 Presidential election.
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2007, 01:22:49 PM »
We can hope.
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2007, 01:27:58 PM »
No. He officiated at the funeral, though.
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2007, 01:29:46 PM »
Gun Grabbers are atheistic, hedonistic deviant communists.
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2007, 01:31:59 PM »
Quote from: WalterMitty on August 17, 2007, 01:15:55 PM
have you sent your dues into the nra yet?

Why would I? I don't own any guns. And I would never send money to an organization that harms the Democratic Party.
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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2007, 01:43:49 PM »
 already.
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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2007, 01:45:51 PM »
Quote from: got a friend, her name is boxcar... on August 17, 2007, 01:31:59 PM
Quote from: WalterMitty on August 17, 2007, 01:15:55 PM
have you sent your dues into the nra yet?

Why would I? I don't own any guns. And I would never send money to an organization that harms the Democratic Party.

The NRA had become more bipartisan though,If you look around you will see they endorsed Ted Strickland in 2004 and didn't they also endorse Berine Sanders? 
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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2007, 01:54:55 PM »
Quote from: got a friend, her name is boxcar... on August 17, 2007, 01:31:59 PM
Quote from: WalterMitty on August 17, 2007, 01:15:55 PM
have you sent your dues into the nra yet?


you support their goals.

im sure you also wouldnt mind if they were successful in defeating carolyn mccarthy.
Why would I? I don't own any guns. And I would never send money to an organization that harms the Democratic Party.
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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2007, 08:10:05 PM »
Quote from: got a friend, her name is boxcar... on August 17, 2007, 01:09:27 PM
I think so. He turned grassroots Democrats against gun control (go look at DU). As a result now the Democratic Party has reached a point where it won't fight for gun control, and since the Republicans obviously won't, that makes gun control dead.

Howard Dean has brought an end to the gun control essentially.
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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2007, 08:19:22 PM »
Quote from: WalterMitty on August 17, 2007, 01:54:55 PM
Quote from: got a friend, her name is boxcar... on August 17, 2007, 01:31:59 PM
Quote from: WalterMitty on August 17, 2007, 01:15:55 PM
have you sent your dues into the nra yet?


you support their goals.

im sure you also wouldnt mind if they were successful in defeating carolyn mccarthy.
Why would I? I don't own any guns. And I would never send money to an organization that harms the Democratic Party.

No my goal is to help the Democrats, and dropping gun control helps them. I don't give a f**k about what the laws on guns are because I don't believe banning guns reduces crime, but I also don't own any or plan on owning any. So gun control does not affect me in any way whatsoever.
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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2007, 08:21:44 PM »
Quote from: Kevin on August 17, 2007, 01:45:51 PM
Quote from: got a friend, her name is boxcar... on August 17, 2007, 01:31:59 PM
Quote from: WalterMitty on August 17, 2007, 01:15:55 PM
have you sent your dues into the nra yet?

Why would I? I don't own any guns. And I would never send money to an organization that harms the Democratic Party.

The NRA had become more bipartisan though,If you look around you will see they endorsed Ted Strickland in 2004 and didn't they also endorse Berine Sanders? 

Every now and then they endorse a token Democrat, usually a pro-gun incumbent who is in no danger of losing. Doesn't mean crap. They didn't endorse Jim Webb or Jon Tester.
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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2007, 11:17:39 PM »
I think the 1994 midterms may have gotten the ball rolling to get the Dems to lay off gun control.
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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2007, 11:25:46 PM »
Quote from: Lance. McSteel on August 17, 2007, 01:29:46 PM
Gun Grabbers are atheistic, hedonistic deviant communists.
Dude, you described perfectly! Thats so me! Cheesy
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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2007, 08:19:20 AM »
Quote from: Speed of Sound on August 17, 2007, 11:25:46 PM
Quote from: Lance. McSteel on August 17, 2007, 01:29:46 PM
Gun Grabbers are atheistic, hedonistic deviant communists.
Dude, you described perfectly! Thats so me! Cheesy
The first 3 are all good things 99% of the time but the 4th is EVIL so therefore you are evil for being a commie.
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« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2007, 09:05:46 AM »

Uh, Gabu, just because Dakota Red here finds communist chicks with AK-47s hot (which, granted, some of them may be), doesn't make him a libertarian....
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« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2007, 10:57:17 AM »
Quote from: DanielX on August 18, 2007, 09:05:46 AM

Uh, Gabu, just because Dakota Red here finds communist chicks with AK-47s hot (which, granted, some of them may be), doesn't make him a libertarian....
Why not? Better him in the LP than anarchocapitalists like you.
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« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2007, 11:05:38 AM »
Quote from: Lance. McSteel on August 18, 2007, 10:57:17 AM
Quote from: DanielX on August 18, 2007, 09:05:46 AM

Uh, Gabu, just because Dakota Red here finds communist chicks with AK-47s hot (which, granted, some of them may be), doesn't make him a libertarian....
Why not? Better him in the LP than anarchocapitalists like you.

Straha, I'm not a f***ing anarchocapitalist. I'm actually a liberal-conservative who dislikes some of the more populist stances the Republicans have had of late.

Can't you get that tthrough your lizard brain?
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« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2007, 11:34:48 AM »
Quote from: DanielX on August 18, 2007, 09:05:46 AM

Uh, Gabu, just because Dakota Red here finds communist chicks with AK-47s hot (which, granted, some of them may be), doesn't make him a libertarian....

I hope you know that Gabu only does that to get BRTD mad.
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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2007, 11:37:54 AM »
Quote from: DanielX on August 18, 2007, 11:05:38 AM
Quote from: Lance. McSteel on August 18, 2007, 10:57:17 AM
Quote from: DanielX on August 18, 2007, 09:05:46 AM

Uh, Gabu, just because Dakota Red here finds communist chicks with AK-47s hot (which, granted, some of them may be), doesn't make him a libertarian....
Why not? Better him in the LP than anarchocapitalists like you.

Straha, I'm not a f***ing anarchocapitalist. I'm actually a liberal-conservative who dislikes some of the more populist stances the Republicans have had of late.

Can't you get that tthrough your lizard brain?
You may not be one but you're unconfortably close. I mean a +8.50 economic score?
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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2007, 12:22:06 PM »
Quote from: Lance. McSteel on August 18, 2007, 08:19:20 AM
Quote from: Speed of Sound on August 17, 2007, 11:25:46 PM
Quote from: Lance. McSteel on August 17, 2007, 01:29:46 PM
Gun Grabbers are atheistic, hedonistic deviant communists.
Dude, you described perfectly! Thats so me! Cheesy
The first 3 are all good things 99% of the time but the 4th is EVIL so therefore you are evil for being a commie.
Alright, Im not quite a commie, but you get the idea.
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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2007, 12:55:13 PM »
Did Howard Dean kill gun control by using a gun? Tongue
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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2007, 03:52:06 PM »
Gun control is not a threat to gun ownership.  It is simply regulating guns in reasonable ways to help law enforcement and reduce crime.  The NRA exagerated gun control to its own financial benefit.  We all know that criminals will always get guns and that guns don't kill people - people do.  However, we can't have a free for all with guns any more than we can't eliminate traffic laws.
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« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2007, 03:54:01 PM »
Gun Controllers settle for bureaucratizing gun ownership as a first step to removing guns. Once they've removed the guns the next step is to lurch towards socialist dictatorship.
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