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pbrower2a
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« on: October 18, 2017, 07:01:58 AM »

The British and Americans knew something about female voting: women were more cautious and less vulnerable to the appeals of demagogues of the Right and Left. They imposed the women;s right to vote on liberated France (France barely avoided a fascist takeover in the 1930s), Italy, and Japan.

With Richard Spencer, as with any other fascist, just about everything that he says is almost certainly wrong in accordance with liberal morals. 
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2017, 12:50:07 PM »

In case you are interested in reading about suffrage in the era when the "best" folks in town opposed women voting, because it would represent their surrendering the high moral ground by descending into the cesspool of politics, punch here.

Much of the opposition to female suffrage was by the saloon, brewing, and brewery businesses that women with the vote would hurt the booze business. Men often stopped at the saloon on the way home and drank up a big part of their pay packets. That meant real poverty for the wife and children. He might go home, collapse in bed, and wake up with a hangover, and when he had a hangover often came the terror of beatings.

The first feminist issue was a crusade against intoxicating liquors  and the drunkenness that led to poverty and abuse.   
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2017, 03:37:50 PM »

Why do we care what this guy thinks?  He has no power and will never get any, so his deplorable views should just be ignored!

This could have been said of Antichrist Hitler in 1928.
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2017, 09:48:04 AM »
« Edited: October 22, 2017, 01:36:19 AM by pbrower2a »

My question is this:  Why is this nut case getting so much attention?  Why is his speaking on campus a national news story?  Angela Davis spoke at my campus in 1975; why wasn't that news?  

The reason was because of the "counter-demonstrators".  They're the ones that make violence possible.  They're there to provoke Spencer and his crowd to violence.  Which is what Spencer wants, as to the more hairy followers of Spencer.  

"Counter-demonstrators" are what keep these alt-right lunatics "relevant".  They, and the media that can't wait to cover the speeches of folks like Spencer, in the hope that violence will break out and some "journalist" will get a leg up toward his next Pulitzer Prize or book contract.  If a tree fell in forest and nobody heard it fall, did it make a noise?  If Richard Spencer spoke on whatever he speaks about and no media showed up, was it an event?

Here's the key to drying up the alt-right:  STOP GIVING THEM ATTENTION!

Nazis and the KKK are the political equivalent of pornography. They draw attention for all the wrong reasons and are in our faces for all the wrong reasons. OK, there is a difference: breasts give nourishment to babies, vaginas provide the place through which babies come, and penises supply the seed for babies. Sex can create life; Nazis associate themselves with mass murder, and the KKK  has never brought anything but misery to people for which it expresses hatred. I can attest that breasts and vaginas are beautiful. Penises? One must be female or gay to truly appreciate them.

Pornography and the Alt-Right share a tendency to bring out the self-righteousness of multitudes. Being on higher moral ground than Nazis or even the Klan is incredibly cheap. Harvey Swinestein, whose personal life is pornographic, is on a higher moral plain than is the typical Nazi. If anyone says that the Klan at least never operated any death camps, then I see such as strictly the failure of the Klan to achieve the national power that would have allowed them to perform anything like the Holocaust; the KKK had much the same objects of hatred that the Nazis had.  If the Nazis had won World War II, then the Klan would have been the most likely collaborators in the Holocaust in America. (Note that Philip K. Dick, in his A Man in the High Castle, did not name the Klan as such -- I presume out of concern of his publisher about costly lawsuits by America's worst fascist pigs).

But remember ho much news coverage serial killers Ted Bundy and John Gacy got for demonstrating the worst in human character. Think of the highly-successful novels In Cold Blood  about a pair of losers who would be unknown except for a botched robbery that led to the slaughter of a family, and Helter Skelter about the sick cult around Charles Manson. A loser prostitute (Aileen Wuornos) who murdered her johns would get little attention otherwise.

Truth be told, Spencer's speeches are awful, just as those of Hitler were. America in 2017 has some parallels to Germany in 1931 in the masses having to suffer economically and emotionally  for exploitative elites who deflect blame to successful people who are somehow different, with the elites largely supporting the 'fascism-light' of the DNVP in the latter years of the Weimar Republic and a GOP taking an excursion on the fascist road in America. In America the objects of hatred are the black middle class, which (horror of horrors to white racists) does much intermarriage with white people and incorporates them permanently onto the black gene pool, much as was the concern of Nazis about Jews bringing 'Aryans' into the realm of Jewish 'blood'.

Spencer draws brutal toughs around him, as did Hitler. He uses much the same euphemisms as Hitler while exuding the same hatred. Considering what Hitler and his crime syndicate did, and that people born after World War II have images of Nazi atrocities seared into their minds as if they lived through the times... Spencer draws attention.

The real mess is that the economic elites of America are transforming America into a plutocratic nightmare. Between corporate farmers squeezing out family farmers, super-rich families like the Koch and Mercer families with their dream of an America that resembles a Marxist stereotype of capitalism,  an executive class that has come to resemble the Soviet nomenklatura,  sold-out intellectuals as in right-wing think tanks and in corporate lobbying firms, and some factions of organized crime all united in making America a place in which opportunity and any possibility of happiness are to be enjoyed only in the Afterlife (in which those elites make no obvious investment) in return for suffering with smiles for the rest of us... we have a big problem.

The real problem is that we have economic elites trying to turn a free people into peons. The Alt Right is a diversion.        
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