2017 French Presidential Election

[TheSaint250]

1. Will Valls endorsement hurt Macron?

2. Will the Socialist Party falter (kind of like the Dutch Labour Party), and if so, will En Marche! take its place?

[TheSaint250]

Another question for experts on French politics: Why doesn't Dupont-Aignan drop out and endorse Le Pen?  He and his party seem to align with her (except for him wanting a quicker Frexit).

[TheSaint250]

Just wondering:

Let's say that out of nowhere Mélenchon very narrowly edges out Macron and is to face Le Pen in the runoff.  Who would win?

[TheSaint250]

I guess the big question is what is Melenchon's "ceiling" for the first round. To actually get into the second round he would have to overtake LePen or Macron and get well into the 20s...Is that realistic or has he "maxxed out" at this point.

Without Hamon dropping out, his ceiling is probably 19% or 20%. With Hamon dropping out, probably 24%(?)

On that note: another question, if Hamon did drop out, how many of his supporters would go to Melenchon?

[TheSaint250]

I see Le Pen is rolling out some tried and tested Holocaust denialism today...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/politics/articles/2017-04-09/le-pen-says-france-not-responsible-for-nazi-s-vel-d-hiv-round-up

No she's not. She said she believed the French were not responsible for rounding up Jewish citizens for the Germans. That's not denial of the Holocaust. That's denial that France did anything to contribute to it.

As the article says, she was wrong, but what she said was nothing close to Holocaust denial.

[TheSaint250]

I see Le Pen is rolling out some tried and tested Holocaust denialism today...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/politics/articles/2017-04-09/le-pen-says-france-not-responsible-for-nazi-s-vel-d-hiv-round-up

No she's not. She said she believed the French were not responsible for rounding up Jewish citizens for the Germans. That's not denial of the Holocaust. That's denial that France did anything to contribute to it.

As the article says, she was wrong, but what she said was nothing close to Holocaust denial.

It's denial of a particular event that contributed to the Holocaust. We can discuss semantics as much as you want but this is still vile.

Yes, as I said, she's wrong on this.  I'm just saying it's not blatant Holocaust denial like what was being implied.

[TheSaint250]

I see Le Pen is rolling out some tried and tested Holocaust denialism today...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/politics/articles/2017-04-09/le-pen-says-france-not-responsible-for-nazi-s-vel-d-hiv-round-up

No she's not. She said she believed the French were not responsible for rounding up Jewish citizens for the Germans. That's not denial of the Holocaust. That's denial that France did anything to contribute to it.

As the article says, she was wrong, but what she said was nothing close to Holocaust denial.

It's denial of a particular event that contributed to the Holocaust. We can discuss semantics as much as you want but this is still vile.

Yes, as I said, she's wrong on this.  I'm just saying it's not blatant Holocaust denial like what was being implied.

Even then, she's blaming the Nazi-backed government at the time for it. She said that that's not who the French people in general are, only the people in power at the time.

[TheSaint250]

Ever heard of the concept of German Victimhood?

This is the french equivalent.

Exactly. A refusal to believe that the French themselves were capable of openly collaborating and coordinating with the Nazi regime and advance its own principles through them.

Please don't try to defend her words. They speak clearly on their own.

But she's not denying that Holocaust happened as u made it seem

[TheSaint250]

^^ "What's going on" is Trump's code word for MUZLIMS!!, right??

Or "code word" for terrorism.  But whatever floats your boat