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« Reply #350 on: July 05, 2017, 02:50:53 PM »

(prays for atlas blue New Jersey)

Loving this TL!

Thank you!
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« Reply #351 on: July 05, 2017, 06:48:49 PM »

I am just now realizing how badly Hillary would have gotten roasted if she actually had a competent, adult sparring partner in the debates. Wow.
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« Reply #352 on: July 05, 2017, 09:35:17 PM »

I am just now realizing how badly Hillary would have gotten roasted if she actually had a competent, adult sparring partner in the debates. Wow.

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« Reply #353 on: July 05, 2017, 09:55:05 PM »

I am just now realizing how badly Hillary would have gotten roasted if she actually had a competent, adult sparring partner in the debates. Wow.
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« Reply #354 on: July 06, 2017, 01:11:29 PM »

I am just now realizing how badly Hillary would have gotten roasted if she actually had a competent, adult sparring partner in the debates. Wow.

This

Also if she completely and utterly collapses in the 2nd and 3rd debates I hope IL starts trending R hard, give Mark Kirk a chance.
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« Reply #355 on: July 06, 2017, 01:38:21 PM »

Also if a GOP candidate is leading by 9 points Oregon becomes a tossup and arguably lean GOP .
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« Reply #356 on: July 21, 2017, 08:53:32 AM »
« Edited: July 03, 2019, 10:25:16 PM by UWS »

On the campaign trail

Marco Rubio crushes Hillary Clinton in the first presidential debate

   
Yesterday, Republican presidential nominee Marco Rubio has proven to be a formidable opponent during his first presidential debate against Hillary Clinton, the Democratic presidential nominee. In fact, when Clinton attacked Rubio on his missed Senate votes, the Florida Senator counter-attacked by underlining Clinton's lack of real accomplishments as Senator of New York, describing them as not life-changing laws, and even reminded that Clinton missed several Senate votes as well in 2007 and 2008 when she was running for President in 2008 while she was Senator. The Republican managed to describe tax reform as the real solution to the economic challenges related to free trade by reminding that tax cuts for the manufacturing industry has worked under Nikki Haley's (Rubio's running mate) leadership as Governor of South Carolina. And after the former Secretary of State said that she was involved in the effort that led to Osama Bin Laden's death in 2011, her opponent attacked her for contributing to the rise of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi by increasingly withdrawing America from the fight against terrorism. All the polls showed that Senator Rubio has won the first presidential debate and most of these polls demonstrate that approximately 70 % of the watchers think that Rubio made a better debate performance than Secretary Clinton.

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« Reply #357 on: July 21, 2017, 04:58:12 PM »

I really don't think Marco Rubio would preform nearly this well IRL. He definitely showed no signs of it in the primary. Otherwise, a really good TL!!
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« Reply #358 on: July 21, 2017, 08:49:17 PM »

This is brilliant. Keep it up.
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« Reply #359 on: July 21, 2017, 10:32:52 PM »

Thanks!

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« Reply #360 on: July 22, 2017, 07:05:18 AM »


A competent and experienced GOP will beat Hillary easily.
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« Reply #361 on: July 22, 2017, 07:09:04 AM »



Her Republican opponent Marco Rubio wishes her a speedy recovery and hopes she'll be recovered in time for the first presidential debate set on September 26 2016.

Wouldn't happen with Trump IRL...Wish this was the actual election. Clinton vs Rubio would've been on heck of a matchup minus Trump's tweetstorms and "Crooked Hillary"
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« Reply #362 on: July 28, 2017, 05:10:09 PM »
« Edited: March 25, 2019, 12:08:04 PM by UWS »

Marco Rubio's campaign Schedule

September 27, 2016
-Flight to Boulder, Colorado

-Marco Rubio and Nikki Haley hold a fundraising event in Boulder, Colorado in order to celebrate Marco Rubio's debate victory over Hillary Clinton that occurred yesterday during the first presidential debate
-Meet with voters in Denver, Colorado with Nikki Haley
-Meet with voters in Colorado Springs, Colorado with Nikki Haley
-Meet with voters in Yuma, Colorado with Nikki Haley

September 28, 2016
-Flight to Cincinnati, Ohio
-Meet with voters in Cincinnati, Ohio
-Economic policy speech at Kroger headquarters in Cincinnati, Ohio
-Energy policy speech at Duke Energy facility in Cincinnati, Ohio
-Meet with college voters at the University of Cincinnati in Cincinnati, Ohio in an effort to win among young voters
-Meet with voters in Evandale, Ohio
-Manufacturing policy speech at GE Aviation headquarters in Evandale, Ohio
-Meet with voters in Fairfield, Ohio
-Meet with voters in Loveland, Ohio
-Meet with voters in Sharonville, Ohio
-Economic policy speech at Sharonville Transmission in Sharonville, Ohio
-Meet with voters in Mason, Ohio
-Meet with voters in Dayton, Ohio
-Counter-terrorism policy speech at the National Air and Space Intelligence Center in Dayton, Ohio
-Manufacturing policy speech at Behr Dayton Thermal Products headquarters in Dayton, Ohio
-Rally with voters at Fifth Third Field in Dayton, Ohio where Rubio slams  Hillary Clinton on her emails

September 29, 2016
-Flight to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
-Meet with voters in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
-Energy policy speech in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania :

Oil drilling and production is an important contributor to America's energy independence. Energy independence is not only a tool for America's economic prosperity but also for America's national security. Why? Because it will deprive terrorists of funds from America's energy dependence and from our imports of oil barrels that come from unstable middle-eastern countries. Without this money, terrorist groups' ability to organize and prepare terrorist attacks will decrease, thus reinforcing international security. That's why we have to reduce taxes and regulations on America's energy industry in order to ensure oil drilling, to approve oil drilling in ANWR, to approve the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline as well as the Dakota Access Pipeline and the TransAmerica Energy pipeline from Pennsylvania to California and then invest a part of revenues from oil drilling to develop renewable energies.

So if you want a candidate who will fight for America's energy independence prosperity and security, I am your man.


[Crowd applauds]

-Manufacturing policy speech at the United States Steel Corporation headquarters in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
-Economic policy speech in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
-Meet with college voters at the University of Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
-Fundraising event at Benedum Center in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
-Rally with voters at PPG Paints Arena in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
-Meet with voters in Kittanning, Pennsylvania
-Meet with voters in Murrysville, Pennsylvania
-Meet with voters in Greensburg, Pennsylvania
-Meet with voters in Indiana, Pennsylvania
-Flight to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
-Meet with voters in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
-Meet with voters in Moon Township, Pennsylvania

September 30-October 1, 2016
-Senate duties in Washington D.C.

October 2, 2016
-Flight to Eau Claire, Wisconsin
-Meet with voters in Eau Claire, Wisconsin
-Economic policy speech in Eau Claire, Wisconsin
-Meet with voters in Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin
-Counter-terrorism policy speech in Eau Claire, Wisconsin
-Meet with voters in Green Bay, Wisconsin
-Meet with college voters at the University of Wisconsin–Green Bay in Green Bay, Wisconsin in an effort to win among young voters
-Manufacturing policy speech in Green Bay, Wisconsin
-Free trade policy speech in Green Bay, Wisconsin
-Energy policy speech in Green Bay, Wisconsin
-Meet with voters in Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin

October 3, 2016
-Flight to Newark, New Jersey
-Meet with voters in Newark, New Jersey
-Trade policy speech in Newark, New Jersey
-Counter-terrorism policy speech in Newark, New Jersey
-Meet with voters in Jersey City, New Jersey
-Immigration policy speech in Jersey City, New Jersey
-Economic policy speech in Jersey City, New Jersey
-Meet with voters in Washington Township, New Jersey
-Meet with voters in Paterson, New Jersey
-Counter-terrorism policy speech given by Rudy Giuliani in Paterson, New Jersey :

There's no doubt about it. We are living dangerous time of growing terrorist threat. Even here in New Jersey as well as in my home state of New York, a radical Islamic terrorist named Ahmad Khan Rahimi has committed three terrorist bombings in the cities of Elizabeth, Linden and New York City two weeks ago, wounding 34 people. He has been influenced by the extremist Islamic ideology espoused by Al Qaeda. Fortunately, this terrorist is arrested and can no longer harm anybody.

However, Hillary Clinton and the Democrats are still afraid to call the enemy by its name which is Islamic extremist terrorism. Despite the multiplied Islamic extremist terrorist attacks against us and our allies, Barack Obama still seeks to weaken our security measures and to reduce our military at its smallest size since World War I. And believe me, if Hillary Clinton is elected, we will see more of these policies. That's why she can't be trusted to keep America safe, the moreover that she let 4 Americans die in Benghazi, four years ago, when radical Islamic terrorists killed them in our local embassy. Anyway, it doesn't make any difference at this point in her mind.

From September 11 2001 to the beginning of the Obama years, there has been no major terrorist attack in the territory of United States. Why? Because of our strong security measures, our strong homeland security, our strong military and our strong alliances. When Barack Obama came in office, all of that has changed. He imposed cuts in our security measures, in the FBI's counter-terrorism budget and in our military, which made America an easier target for terrorists and gave them great opportunities to attack us. And that's exactly what they did in Garland (Texas) on May 2015, in San Bernardino (California) on December 2 2015, in Philadelphia (Pennsylvania) on January 2016 and in Orlando (Florida).

I thank God all the time that we have a clear alternative to the Obama/Clinton weak foreign policy in order to get this country back on track, to keep us safe and to destroy terrorism. Marco Rubio is a trusted leader who will keep us safe and defeat radical Islamic terrorism by reinforcing our security measures and our homeland security, increasing the FBI's counter-terrorism budget, increasing defense spending, reinforcing and modernizing our military, expanding our alliances, deploying all the necessary military arsenal in Syria and Iraq, striking ISIS and other radical Islamic terrorist groups on their territory and abolishing Obama's Iran nuclear deal in order to stop Iran from having the necessary money to sponsor international terrorism and to develop nuclear weapons. That's how we're going to defeat Islamic extremist terrorism, restore peace and security and save our democracy. As a member of the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations and of the U.S. Senate Committee on Intelligence, Marco Rubio has the right foreign policy experience, knowledge, leadership and judgement to accomplish these goals. Under his leadership as Commander-in-Chief, there won't be another 9/11.

Marco Rubio will make America once again, just like the President I worked for, Ronald Reagan, the shining city on the hill.

Vote for the Rubio/Haley ticket for a safer and freer America and for an America headed in a different, better and brighter direction : greatness.

Thank you. God bless our next President Marco Rubio and God bless the United States of America. USA!


[Crowd loudly applauds and chants USA! USA! USA!]

-Meet with voters in Mahwah, New Jersey

October 4, 2016
-Meet with voters in Hackensack, New Jersey
-Foreign policy speech in Hackensack, New Jersey
-Meet with voters in Camden, New Jersey
-Immigration policy speech in Camden, New Jersey
-Trade policy speech at the Port of Camden in Camden, New Jersey
-Economic policy speech in Camden, New Jersey
-Meet with college voters at Rutgers University–Camden in Camden, New Jersey in an effort to attract young voters
-Watch the Vice-Presidential debate between Nikki Haley and Tim Kaine at the television

Nikki Haley's campaign schedule
September 27-30, 2016
-Haley campaigns in Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, Florida and North Carolina

October 1-3, 2016
-Nikki Haley campaigns in Ohio


-Nikki Haley starts her debate preparations ahead of the vice-presidential scheduled for October 4 2016. Ohio Senator Rob Portman, who is running for Senate re-election here in Ohio, assists Haley in practice debates during which he takes the role of Democratic vice-presidential nominee Tim Kaine. In fact, Portman is partially known for assisting Republican presidential or vice-presidential candidates by standing in for their opponents in practice debates. He has taken on the role of Bill Clinton for Bob Dole in 1996, Al Gore for George W. Bush in 2000, Hillary Clinton for Rick Lazio in 2000, Joe Lieberman for Dick Cheney in 2000, John Edwards for Cheney in 2004, and Barack Obama for John McCain in 2008 and Mitt Romney in 2012. His portrayals mimic not only the person's point of view but also their mannerisms, noting for instance that he listened to Obama's audiobook reading to study his pattern of speech.

As the days pass, Nikki Haley's debate readiness increases and she is prepared to face Tim Kaine in the vice-presidential debate that will take place at the Longwood University in Farmville, Virginia


October 4, 2016
-Flight to Farmville, Virginia
-Governor Nikki Haley debates with Senator Tim Kaine at the vice-presidential debate set at the Longwood University in Farmville, Virginia
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« Reply #363 on: July 28, 2017, 11:20:05 PM »
« Edited: March 25, 2019, 12:13:03 PM by UWS »

Vice-Presidential Debate



Date : October 4, 2016

Place : Longwood University, Farmville, Virginia

Moderator : Elaine Quijano

Podium order :

Haley      Kaine


Elaine Quijano : Good evening. From Longwood University in Farmville, Virginia, and welcome to the first, and only, vice presidential debate of 2016, sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates.

I'm Elaine Quijano, anchor at CBSN, and correspondent for CBS News. It's an honor to moderate this debate between Senator Tim Kaine, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, and Governor Nikki Haley, the Republican vice-presidential nominee.

The campaigns have agreed to the rules of this 90-minute debate. There will be nine different segments covering domestic and foreign policy issues. Each segment will begin with a question to both candidates who will each have two minutes to answer. Then I'll ask follow-up questions to facilitate a discussion between the candidates. By coin toss, it's been determined that Senator Kaine will be first to answer the opening question.

We have an enthusiastic audience tonight. They've agreed to only express that enthusiasm once at the end of the debate and right now as we welcome Governor Nikki Haley and Senator Tim Kaine.

[APPLAUSE FROM THE AUDIENCE AS NIKKI HALEY AND TIM KAINE ARRIVE ON THE DEBATE STAGE, SHAKE HANDS AND SIT DOWN ON THEIR CHAIRS IN FRONT OF QUIJANO TO START VICE-PRESIDENTIAL THE DEBATE]

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« Reply #364 on: July 29, 2017, 10:50:54 PM »

I wonder if Kaine does as bad as he did OTL
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« Reply #365 on: July 30, 2017, 12:35:16 PM »
« Edited: July 03, 2019, 10:12:15 PM by UWS »

Vice-Presidential debate, Part 1


Quijano : Welcome. It truly is a privilege to be with both of you tonight.

I'd like to start with the topic of presidential leadership. Twenty-eight years ago tomorrow night, Lloyd Bentsen said the vice presidential debate was not about the qualifications for the vice presidency, but about how if tragedy should occur, the vice president has to step in without any margin for error, without time for preparation, to take over the responsibility for the biggest job in the world.

What about your qualities, your skills, and your temperament equip you to step into that role at a moment's notice? Senator Kaine?

Kaine : Elaine, thank you for being here tonight, and, Governor Haley, welcome. It is so great to be back at Longwood University in Farmville, Virginia.

This is a very special place. Sixty-five years ago, a young, courageous woman, Barbara Johns, led a walkout of her high school, Moton High School. She made history by protesting school segregation. She believed our nation was stronger together. And that walkout led to the Brown v. Board of Education decision that moved us down the path toward equality.

I am so proud to be running with another strong, history-making woman, Hillary Clinton, to be president of the United States. I'm proud because her vision of stronger together, building an economy that works for all, not just those at the top, being safe in the world not only with a strong military, but also strong alliances to battle terrorism and climate change, and also to build a community of respect, just like Barbara Johns tried to do 65 years ago. That's why I'm so proud to be her running mate.

Hillary told me why she asked me to be her running mate. She said the test of a Clinton administration will not be the signing of a bill or the passage of a bill. It'll be whether we can make somebody's life better, whether we can make a classroom better learning environment for schoolkids or teachers, whether we can make a safer — it's going to be about results.

And she said to me, you've been a missionary and a civil rights lawyer. You've been a city councilman and mayor. You've been a lieutenant governor and governor and now a U.S. senator. I think you will help me figure out how to govern this nation so that we always keep in mind that the success of the administration is the difference we make in people's lives.

And that's what I bring to the ticket, that experience having served at all levels of government. But my primary role is to be Hillary Clinton's right-hand person and strong supporter as she puts together the most historic administration possible. And I relish that role. I'm so proud of her.
I'll just say this: We trust Hillary Clinton, my wife and I, and we trust her with the most important thing in our life. We have a son deployed overseas in the Marine Corps right now. We trust Hillary Clinton as president and commander-in-chief.

Quijano : Governor Haley?

Haley : Well, first off, thank you, Elaine, and thank you to Norwood University for their wonderful hospitality and the Commission on Presidential Debates. It's deeply humbling for me to be here, to be surrounded by my wonderful family.

And, Senator Kaine, it's an honor to be here with you, as well. I want to say thanks to everyone that's looking in tonight, who understands what an enormously important time this is in the life of our nation.

For the last seven-and-a-half years, we've seen America's place in the world weakened. We've seen an economy stifled by more taxes, more regulation, a war on coal, and a failing health care reform come to be known as Obamacare, and the American people know that we need to make a change. And so I want to thank all of you for being with us tonight.

I also want to thank Marco Rubio for making that call and inviting me to be a part of this ticket. I'm proud to be running alongside such a man who has all the experience, leadership and determination to get America to a New American Century. I have to tell you, I'm a small-town girl from a place not too different from Farmville. I grew up in a small town called Bamberg. Marco Rubio and I have similar backgrounds. My parents had immigrated from India to this country four decades ago. They built and raised a family, they built a business, I worked in my mother's ladies' clothing shop, was among directors of the Orangeburg County Chamber of Commerce and of the Lexington Chamber of Commerce and became president of the South Carolina Chapter of the National Association of Women Business Owners. And honestly, Elaine, I never imagined I'd have the opportunity to be governor of the state that I love and let alone be sitting at a table like this in this kind of a position as the Republican nominee for Vice-President of the United States.

So to answer your question, I would hope that if the responsibility fell to me in this role, that I would meet it with the way that I'm going to meet the responsibility should I be elected Vice-President of the United States. And that's to bring a lifetime of experience, a lifetime growing up in a small town, a lifetime where I've led a state that works in the great state of South Carolina, and whatever the responsibilities might follow from this, I would hope and I would pray to be able to meet that moment with such lifetime.

Quijano : Senator Kaine, on the campaign trail, you praised Secretary Clinton's character, including her commitment to public service, yet 60 percent of voters don't think she's honest and trustworthy. Why do so many people distrust her? Is it because they have questions about her e-mails and the Clinton Foundation?

Kaine : Elaine, let me tell you why I trust Hillary Clinton. Here's what people should look at as they look at a public servant. Do they have a passion in their life that showed up before they were in public life? And have they held onto that passion throughout their life, regardless of whether they were in office or not, succeeding or failing?

Hillary Clinton has that passion. From a time as a kid in a Methodist youth group in the suburbs of Chicago, she has been focused on serving others with a special focus on empowering families and kids. As a civil rights lawyer in the South, with the Children's Defense Fund, first lady of Arkansas and this country, senator, secretary of state, it's always been about putting others first. And that's a sharp contrast with Marco Rubio.

Marco Rubio wants to cut taxes for the rich and that's unfair for the middle class. And unlike Hillary Clinton, he does not have the experience required to lead this nation in difficult times of terrorist threat. That's why I trust Hillary Clinton.

Quijano : Governor Haley, the same question. Why do you think people distrust Secretary Clinton?

Haley : Well, first of all, what Senator Kaine just said is simply not true. Marco Rubio cares about every single American, including the middle class and lower income Americans. He is himself from a hard working family that lived paycheck to paycheck but managed to be successful in this new society thanks to the hard work of a bartender and a housekeeper. Free enterprise is the only system that made that possible while Hillary Clinton seeks to destroy free enterprise through bigger government policies that will increase taxes on all Americans, including the middle class, which will reduce purchasing power and weaken the economy. Marco Rubio will do the exact opposite by cutting taxes and regulations for all Americans of all incomes.

When it comes to Secretary Clinton's experience, it's judgement that is the most important quality in the job of President of the United States. And even Bernie Sanders has stated that while he was running against Clinton. At a time when literally, in the wake of Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state, where she was the architect of the Obama administration's foreign policy, we see entire portions of the world, particularly the wider Middle East, literally spinning out of control. I mean, the situation we're watching hour by hour in Syria today is the result of the failed foreign policy and the weak foreign policy that Hillary Clinton helped lead in this administration and create through deep cuts in defense spending and our early withdrawal from Iraq while our task to defeat Al Qaeda and to train Iraqi armed forces was not accomplished yet, thus allowing ISIS to rise and to conquer a large territory in Iraq and Syria. The aggression of Russia, whether it was in Ukraine or now their heavy-handed approach, resulted from the failure of Hillary Clinton's « reset button » policy.

And there's a reason why people question the trustworthiness of Hillary Clinton. And that's because they're paying attention. I mean, the reality is, when she was secretary of state, Senator, she has a Clinton Foundation accepting contributions from foreign governments. She had a private server that was discovered to keep that pay and to play process out of the reach of the public. In an effort to do so, she deleted 30 000 emails, which gives America's foes opportunities to hijack these emails and to threat our country's national security. As Secretary of State, she has shown irresponsibility in ensuring security in our embassies when radical Islamic terrorists killed 4 U.S. ambassadors in Benghazi. She lied about why these brave Americans died and she arrogantly answered to Congress that it doesn't make any difference at this point.

So if you look at Hillary Clinton's experience as an asset for the highest office in the world, this is bad experience. Her experience is exactly the reason she is disqualified from leading this country. In contrast, Marco Rubio has all the experience, leadership and judgement to keep our country safe. He sponsored a bill that increased sanctions against the Hezbollah, successfully introduced the Terror Intelligence Improvement Act that allowed the Attorney General to delay the transfer of firearms to suspected terrorists and he co-sponsored the Bipartisan Counterterrorist Coalition Act that reinforced defence ties between America and its allies, especially those in the Middle East, thus building great and powerful military coalitions to defeat ISIS and other terrorist groups. And thanks to his experience as member of the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations and of the U.S. Senate Committee on Intelligence, he will succeed in keeping us safe and in defeating terrorism.
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« Reply #366 on: July 31, 2017, 01:58:45 PM »
« Edited: June 14, 2019, 04:53:43 PM by UWS »

Vice-Presidential debate, Part 2


Kaine : Let me tell you this. When Hillary Clinton became secretary of state, Governor Haley, did you know that Osama bin Laden was alive?

Haley : Yes.

Kaine : Do you know that we had 175,000 troops deployed in the battlefield in Iraq and Afghanistan? Do you know that Iran was racing toward a nuclear weapon and Russia was expanding its stockpile?

Under Secretary Clinton's leadership, she was part of the national team, public safety team that went after and revived the dormant hunt against bin Laden and wiped him off the face of the Earth. She worked to deal with the Russians to reduce their chemical weapons stockpile. She worked a tough negotiation with nations around the world to eliminate the Iranian nuclear weapons program without firing a shot.

Haley : Let me help you with the facts Senator. First of all, I want to give this president credit for bringing Osama bin Laden to justice. But the truth is, Osama bin Laden led Al Qaida. Our primary threat today is ISIS. And because Hillary Clinton failed to renegotiate a status of forces agreement that would have allowed some American combat troops to remain in Iraq and secure the hard fought gains the American soldier had won by 2009, ISIS was able to be literally conjured up out of the desert, and it's overrun vast areas that the American soldier had won in Operation Iraqi Freedom. So Hillary Clinton contributed to the rise of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of ISIS because this administration created a vacuum in which ISIS was able to grow. Under Marco Rubio's leadership, we're going to deploy and use all the necessary military power, arsenal and alliances to defeat ISIS and free all this territory from ISIS' barbarism and bring Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to justice.

When it comes to Iran, the Iran nuclear deal that Hillary Clinton initiated handed $150 billion to the radical mullahs in Iran and lifted sanctions against Tehran, which is allowing them to get the necessary revenues to keep sponsoring international terrorism and to keep developing nuclear weapons that will be able to strike the United States and their allies such as Israel. As President of the United States, Marco Rubio will repeal Obama's Iran nuclear deal, which will deprive the Iranian government of the money they need to support terrorism and to get nuclear weapons through stronger sanctions. And thanks to the creation of an anti-missile shield on the Mediterranean Sea and to the reinforcement of our defence ties with our allies in the Middle East and in the Indian Subcontinent, we will make sure that Iran will never become a nuclear military power and that peace and stability will be restored in that region.

Quijano : Let's move on now to the issue of law enforcement and race relations. Law enforcement and race relations. After the Dallas police shooting, Police Chief David Brown said, quote, "We're asking cops to do too much in this country. Every societal failure we put it off on the cops to solve. Not enough mental health funding, not enough drug addiction funding, schools fail, let's give it to the cops." Do we ask too much of police officers in this country? And how would you specifically address the chief' s concerns? Senator Kaine?

Kaine : Elaine, I think that's a very fair comment. I think we put a lot on police shoulders. And this is something I got a lot of scar tissue and experience on.

I was a city councilman and mayor in Richmond. And when I came in, we had one of the highest homicide rates in the United States. We fought very, very hard over the course of my time in local office with our police department, and we reduced our homicide rate nearly in half.

And then when I was governor of Virginia, we worked hard, too. And we did something we had really wanted to do. For the first time ever, we cracked the top 10, 10 safest states, because we worked together.

Here's what I learned as a mayor and a governor. The way you make communities safer and the way you make police safer is through community policing. You build the bonds between the community and the police force, build bonds of understanding, and then when people feel comfortable in their communities, that gap between the police and the communities they serve narrows. And when that gap narrows, it's safer for the communities and it's safer for the police.
So here's what we'll do. We'll focus on community policing. We will focus on and Hillary Clinton has rolled out a really comprehensive mental health reform package that she worked on with law enforcement professionals, and we will also fight the scourge of gun violence in the United States.
I'm a gun-owner. I'm a strong Second Amendment supporter. But I've got a lot of scar tissue, because when I was governor of Virginia, there was a horrible shooting at Virginia Tech, and we learned that through that painful situation that gaps in the background record check system should have been closed and it could have prevented that crime, and so we're going to work to do things like close background record checks. And if we do, we won't have the tragedies that we did.
One of those killed at Virginia Tech was a guy named Liviu Librescu. He was a 70-plus-year-old Romanian Holocaust survivor. He had survived the Holocaust. Then he survived the Soviet Union takeover of his country. But then he was a visiting professor at Virginia Tech, and he couldn't survive the scourge of gun violence.

We can support the Second Amendment and do things like background record checks and make us safer, and that will make police safer, too.

Haley : First of all, I am proud to have successfully campaigned for the removal of the Confederate flag from South Carolina's Capitol Hill after the terrible shooting that killed 9 African Americans in a church in Charleston. And Marco Rubio enthusiastically supported my efforts. That's another way to fight racism and extremism.
   
Police officers are the best of us. And the men and women, white, African-American, Asian, Latino, Hispanic, they put their lives on the line every single day. And let my say, at the risk of agreeing with you, community policing is a great idea. It's worked in the Hoosier state. And we fully support that.

Marco Rubio and I are going to make sure that law enforcement have the resources and the tools to be able to really restore law and order to the cities and communities in this nation. We need a reformed criminal code, which criminal regulations and laws are easier to understand, a reform of civil forfeiture by which people suspected of crimes will be deprived of private property. We need economic growth for all the American people, including African-Americans and we need to promote school choice to give African Americans an easier access to education. That's exactly what Marco Rubio and I will do.

But the right way to stop all this insanity is not stricter gun control like Clinton/Kaine ticket is suggesting. Because supremacists or lone-wolf terrorists could still have killed a great number of people with any other kind of weapon than a firearm, including a knife, an axe, a grenade or a car bomb like what happened in Nice. So what we must do is to allow the Attorney General to delay the transfer of firearms to suspected criminals or terrorists, which is something Senator Kaine voted against. That's how we're going to prevent massive shootings and terrorist attacks on our national territory and save innocent lives without violating the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.
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« Reply #367 on: July 31, 2017, 02:05:16 PM »
« Edited: March 25, 2019, 12:14:33 PM by UWS »

Vice-Presidential debate, Part 3


Quijano : Gentlemen, Russia. Russian President Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine, annexed Crimea, and has provided crucial military support to the Assad regime. What steps, if any, would your administration take to counter these actions? Senator Kaine?

Kaine : We've got to be tough on Russia. Hillary Clinton has gone toe-to- toe with Russia. She went toe-to-toe with Russia as secretary of state to do the New START Agreement to reduce Russia's nuclear stockpile. She's had the experience doing it. She went toe-to-toe with Russia and lodged protests when they went into Georgia. And we've done the same thing about Ukraine, but more than launching protests, we've put punishing economic sanctions on Russia that we need to continue. We don't need Marco Rubio's foreign policy provocations that will only cause a war with Russia.

Haley : Hillary Clinton said her number-one priority was a reset with Russia. That reset resulted in the invasion of Ukraine, after they'd infiltrated with what are called little green men, Russian soldiers that were dressing up like Ukrainian dissidents, and then they moved all the way into Crimea, took over the Crimean Peninsula. Under a Rubio Administration, abolish ban on oil export in order to increase American oil exports to Ukraine, thus freeing them from their dependency on Russian oil. We will reinforce sanctions against Russia as well as our military presence on the Black Sea, send military advisers to assist our Ukrainian allies and provide weapons to the Ukrainian armed forces in order to help them to fight and defeat this pro-Russian terrorist rebellion, give Ukraine back to Ukrainians and dissuade Vladimir Putin from invading Ukraine or any other Eastern European country.

And then, of course, Syria, it really is extraordinary that Syria is imploding. You just asked a very thoughtful question about the disaster in Aleppo. ISIS is headquartered in Raqqa. ISIS from Raqqa has overrun vast areas that at great sacrifice the American soldier won in Operation Iraqi Freedom, and yet Senator Kaine still sits here, loyal soldier in saying that the foreign policy of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama somehow made the world more secure. It didn't...

Kaine : We wiped out the leader of Al Qaeda...

Haley : And in addition...

Kaine : We stopped Iran from getting nuclear weapons.

Haley : Please, let me finish Senator. You have a problem with allowing someone to finish speaking. And I suggest that if you want to become vice-president of the United States, you have got to let both people speak. So first, let me speak.

While we agree to arm Syrian rebels as Secretary Clinton seeks to do, we have to be careful because there are some groups we know nothing about and could have ties with radical Islamic terrorist groups like ISIS, Al Qaida, Al Nosra, etc. So the policy of a Rubio administration toward Syria will be to reinforce our regional alliances, to defeat ISIS on their turf through our military and to establish background checks on Syrian rebels in order to identify which groups should or should not be provided in weapons, thus allowing us to support only anti-terrorist forces. And then, we will have to ensure regime change in Syria because Assad's oppressive measures that are slaying its own people will push more people to radicalize themselves and to join terrorist groups. And by toppling Assad, we're going to make our fight against ISIS and other terrorist groups easier because Syrians will have reclaimed their trust towards their government thanks to the restoration of freedom, integrity and justice. And by the way, by removing Assad, who is none other than Putin's puppet, we will give Syria back to Syrians.

Quijano : Senator Kaine, if you had intelligence that North Korea was about to launch a missile, a nuclear-armed missile capable of reaching the United States, would you take preemptive action?

Kaine : A president should take action to defend the United States against imminent threat. You have to. A president has to do that. Now exactly what action, you would have to determine what your intelligence was, how certain you were of that intelligence, but you would have to take action.
You asked the question about how do we deal with a North Korea. I'm on the Foreign Relations Committee. We just did an extensive sanctions package against North Korea. And interestingly, Elaine, the U.N. followed and did this, virtually the same package. Often China will use their veto in the Security Council to veto a package like that. They're starting to get worried about North Korea, too. So they actually supported the sanctions package, even though many of the sanctions are against Chinese firms, Chinese financial institutions.

So we're working together with China, and we need to. China's another one of those relationships where it's competitive, it's also challenging, and in times like North Korea, we have to be able to cooperate. Hillary understands that very well. She went once famously to China and stood up at a human rights meeting and looked them in the eye and said, "Women's rights are human rights." They didn't want her to say that, but she did.

But she's also worked on a lot of diplomatic and important diplomatic deals with China. And that's what it's going to take.

Quijano : Your response, Governor?

Haley : This administration has failed to take affirmative action against the North Korean threat. They are about to get missiles that will be able to hit Hawaii, Alaska and the Western Coast. That's why Marco Rubio proposed the creation of an intergovernmental military alliance with our allies around the Pacific called the Pacific Treaty Agreement in order to increase pressure on North Korea. If I'm Vice-President and if Marco Rubio is President, we will put North Korea back on the list of state sponsors of terrorism, reinforce our military presence on the Pacific and establish a comprehensive anti-missile defense program that will put in place anti-missile shields that will intercept and destroy any nuclear weapon launched by North Korea against us and our allies. And we're going to increase sanctions against international firms that are serving as financial intermediaries that transfer dollars to the Kim Jong-un regime in order to fund their nuclear program, which will deprive this lunatic leader of all this money. And most of these firms are located in China and by transferring money to North Korea, this is not a win for China because these firms are using this money to help North Korea overturning U.N. sanctions and building nuclear weapons instead of using it to encourage China's economic growth and to create jobs. So I think it will encourage China to work with us in order to stop North Korea's nuclear threat by supporting sanctions against these firms, which will give that money to the Chinese people, not to North Korea. This will be putting China's economic and national security interests first.

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« Reply #368 on: July 31, 2017, 02:07:21 PM »
« Edited: March 25, 2019, 12:14:47 PM by UWS »

Vice-Presidential debate, Part 4


Quijano : I do have one final question for you both tonight. It has been a divisive campaign. Senator Kaine, if your ticket wins, what specifically are you going to do to unify the country and reassure the people who voted against you?
   
Kaine : That's a really important one. That may be the $64,000 question, because this country has been divided over the last few years.

But we do have to bring the country together. So here's what we'll do. Hillary Clinton was first lady, then senator for eight years and secretary of state. And I served in the Senate. And I'm really amazed, Elaine, as I talk to Republican senators, how well they regard and respect Hillary Clinton.

She was on the Armed Services Committee. She was on other committees. She worked across the aisle when she was first lady to get the CHIP program passed so that 8 million low-income kids have health insurance in this country.

She worked across the aisle after 9/11 to get health benefits for the first responders who bravely went into the towers and into the Pentagon. She worked to get benefits for — TRICARE benefits for National Guard members, including Hoosiers and Virginians in the National Guard.

She has a track record of working across the aisle to make things happen. And, you know, Elaine, I have the same track record. I was a governor of Virginia with two Republican houses. And in the Senate, I have good working relationships across the aisle.

Because I think it's fine to be a Democrat or Republican or independent, but after Election Day, the goal is work together. And Hillary Clinton has a track record of accomplishment across the aisle that will enable her to do just that when we work with the new Congress in January.

Quijano : Governor, how will you unify the country if your ticket is elected?

Haley : This is a very challenging time in the life of our nation. Weakened America's place in the world after the leadership of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama on the world stage has been followed by an economy that is truly struggling, stifled by an avalanche of more taxes, more regulation, Obamacare, the war on coal, and the kind of trade deals that have put American workers in the back seat. I think the best way that we can bring people together is through change in Washington, D.C.

You know, I served as Governor of South Carolina for 6 years, so I have the executive experience to help getting things done. And I served with many Republicans and Democrats, men and women of goodwill. The potential is there to really change the direction of this country, but it's going to take leadership to do it.

The American people want to see our nation standing tall on the world stage again. They want to see us supporting our military, rebuilding our military, commanding the respect of the world, and they want to see the American economy off to the races again. They want to see an American comeback.

And Marco Rubio's entire career has been about restoring the American Dream and making it possible again. As a son of working-class Cuban immigrants, as a member of the U.S. Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship and of the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, he knows what it takes to create good jobs for the American people and to restore the American Dream. He cosponsored the AGREE Act, a bill that increased tax credits and exemptions for companies investing in R & D, equipment and other capital, gave tax credits for veterans opening a business franchise and raised immigration for some types of work visas. He introduced the co-sponsored the Regulation Costs to Small Businesses Act, which required the Small Business Administration to conduct an annual study to estimate the total cost of regulations on small businesses because small businesses create most of the jobs in America, not the government. Senator Rubio also sponsored the 2014 VA reform law by introducing a measure empowering the VA secretary to hold managers accountable for incompetence, negligence and corruption and to care more about veterans than bureaucrats. When Marco Rubio becomes President of the United States, we're going to have a stronger America.

When you hear him say he wants to get America to a New American Century, when we do that, I truly do believe the American people are going to be standing taller. They're going to see that real change can happen after decades of just talking about it. And when that happens, the American people are going to stand tall, stand together, and we'll have the kind of unity that's been missing for way too long.

Quijano : All right, thank you so much Senator Kaine and Governor Haley. This concludes the vice presidential debate. My thanks to the candidates, the commission, and to you for watching. Please tune in this Sunday for the second presidential debate at Washington University in St. Louis and the final debate on October 19th at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas.
From Farmville, Virginia, I'm Elaine Quijano of CBS News. Good night.

[APPLAUSE FROM THE AUDIENCE AS NIKKI HALEY AND TIM KAINE SHAKE HANDS]
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« Reply #369 on: July 31, 2017, 04:01:37 PM »

Very nice update. Well done.
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« Reply #370 on: July 31, 2017, 04:17:28 PM »


Gracias.
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« Reply #371 on: July 31, 2017, 04:20:35 PM »

Would you say Kaine's performance was better here or IRL?
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« Reply #372 on: July 31, 2017, 08:56:55 PM »
« Edited: February 22, 2018, 04:56:12 PM by UWS »

Who Won the Vice-Presidential Debate?

CNN/ORC poll :
Nikki Haley : 56 %
Tim Kaine : 38 %
Tied/Unsure : 6 %

Politico/Morning Consult poll :
Nikki Haley : 59 %
Tim Kaine : 40 %
Tied/Unsure : 1 %

Reuters/Ipsos poll :
Nikki Haley : 58 %
Tim Kaine : 39 %
Tied/Unsure : 3 %

NBC News/SurveyMonkey poll :
Nikki Haley : 62 %
Tim Kaine : 35 %
Tied/Unsure : 3 %

Gallup poll :
Nikki Haley : 55 %
Tim Kaine : 34 %
Tied/Unsure : 12 %

Fox News poll :
Nikki Haley : 66 %
Tim Kaine : 32 %
Tied/Unsure : 2 %

ABC News/Washington Post poll :
Nikki Haley : 60 %
Tim Kaine : 36 %
Tied/Unsure : 4 %
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« Reply #373 on: August 03, 2017, 07:51:13 PM »

I wonder how the polls are going now; seems as if Marco's on his way to a landslide
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« Reply #374 on: August 04, 2017, 09:12:20 PM »
« Edited: August 15, 2017, 07:32:10 PM by UWS »

New polls

Even though the vice-presidential has less effect on the voters' voting intentions than presidential debates, Senator Rubio maintains his lead over Secretary Clinton as they are preparing for their second duel at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri set on October 9. Mostly due to the growing international terrorist threat and to Marco Rubio's strong performance, New Jersey, a Democratic stronghold, seems to be becoming a battleground state.

General election polls

Hillary Clinton vs Marco Rubio

Marco Rubio : 53 %
Hillary Clinton : 46 %
Undecided : 1 %

Statewide opinion polls

Ohio

Marco Rubio : 56 %
Hillary Clinton : 42 %
Undecided : 2 %

Florida

Marco Rubio : 58 %
Hillary Clinton : 40 %
Undecided : 2 %

North Carolina

Marco Rubio : 53 %
Hillary Clinton : 45 %
Undecided : 2 %

Virginia

Hillary Clinton : 51 %
Marco Rubio : 47 %
Undecided : 2 %

Pennsylvania

Marco Rubio : 51 %
Hillary Clinton : 47 %
Undecided : 2 %

New Hampshire

Marco Rubio : 51 %
Hillary Clinton : 47 %
Undecided : 2 %

Michigan

Marco Rubio : 53 %
Hillary Clinton : 46 %
Undecided : 1 %

Wisconsin

Marco Rubio : 54 %
Hillary Clinton : 45 %
Undecided : 1 %

Minnesota

Hillary Clinton : 49 %
Marco Rubio : 49 %
Undecided : 2 %

Iowa

Marco Rubio : 56 %
Hillary Clinton : 42 %
Undecided : 2 %

Colorado

Marco Rubio : 56 %
Hillary Clinton : 41 %
Undecided : 3 %

Nevada

Marco Rubio : 55 %
Hillary Clinton : 43 %
Undecided : 2 %

New Mexico

Marco Rubio : 50 %
Hillary Clinton : 47 %
Undecided : 3 %

New Jersey

Hillary Clinton : 48 %
Marco Rubio : 47 %
Undecided : 5 %

Maine

Hillary Clinton : 51 %
Marco Rubio : 46 %
Undecided : 5 %

Oregon

Hillary Clinton : 50 %
Marco Rubio : 44 %
Undecided : 6 %

Electoral College map



Marco Rubio : 304 great electors
Hillary Clinton : 185 great electors
Toss-ups : 49 great electors
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