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« Reply #1025 on: November 30, 2017, 09:34:08 PM »

The Senate stands adjourned until 10 AM ET tomorrow.
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« Reply #1026 on: November 30, 2017, 09:46:51 PM »

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« Reply #1027 on: November 30, 2017, 09:50:25 PM »

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These are the same people who ran thousands of ads about Nancy Pelosi's "pass it to see what's in it" comment.
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« Reply #1028 on: November 30, 2017, 09:55:52 PM »

lmao if they think they'll have enough time to finish a vote-o-rama tomorrow starting so late
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« Reply #1029 on: November 30, 2017, 09:56:34 PM »

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These are the same people who ran thousands of ads about Nancy Pelosi's "pass it to see what's in it" comment.
You gotta pass it to write it!
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« Reply #1030 on: November 30, 2017, 10:02:19 PM »

lmao if they think they'll have enough time to finish a vote-o-rama tomorrow starting so late

I don't think McConnell cares if these guys have to miss their Friday Night bar runs.
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« Reply #1031 on: November 30, 2017, 10:04:09 PM »

lmao if they think they'll have enough time to finish a vote-o-rama tomorrow starting so late

I don't think McConnell cares if these guys have to miss their Friday Night bar runs.

but they might
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« Reply #1032 on: November 30, 2017, 10:26:10 PM »

lmao if they think they'll have enough time to finish a vote-o-rama tomorrow starting so late

I don't think McConnell cares if these guys have to miss their Friday Night bar runs.

That era of DC has long gone. He's making them fly home Saturday morning instead of Friday night.
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« Reply #1033 on: November 30, 2017, 10:30:54 PM »

I was joking earlier about them still writing the bill with typos and mistakes in it and look:

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Does this last moment scramble have any chance of flipping McCain due to his whole "order" thing?
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« Reply #1034 on: November 30, 2017, 10:55:16 PM »

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These are the same people who ran thousands of ads about Nancy Pelosi's "pass it to see what's in it" comment.
You gotta pass it to write it!

Ha! Exactly.
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« Reply #1035 on: December 01, 2017, 12:21:43 AM »

I was joking earlier about them still writing the bill with typos and mistakes in it and look:

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Does this last moment scramble have any chance of flipping McCain due to his whole "order" thing?

If it was more than just posturing, it certainly should.
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« Reply #1036 on: December 01, 2017, 01:17:52 AM »

McConnell's going through repeal and replace all over again.
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« Reply #1037 on: December 01, 2017, 01:18:49 AM »

McConnell's going through repeal and replace all over again.

McConnell is a choke artist like Trump. Just another all talk, no action politician
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« Reply #1038 on: December 01, 2017, 04:58:05 AM »

I bet McConnell's snorting a lot of speed to be able to write the bill overnight and then push it through the next day
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« Reply #1039 on: December 01, 2017, 07:56:18 AM »

I bet McConnell's snorting a lot of speed to be able to write the bill overnight and then push it through the next day

Gotta pass the bill to write the bill, broh!
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« Reply #1040 on: December 01, 2017, 08:35:10 AM »

So how are they going to live with the $1 trillion deficit increase?
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« Reply #1041 on: December 01, 2017, 08:39:07 AM »

So how are they going to live with the $1 trillion deficit increase?

By using it to justify cutting social spending later.  Isn't that obviously the plan?
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« Reply #1042 on: December 01, 2017, 10:14:51 AM »

Senate back in session. Next votes in about an hour.
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« Reply #1043 on: December 01, 2017, 10:50:14 AM »

So how are they going to live with the $1 trillion deficit increase?

By using it to justify cutting social spending later.  Isn't that obviously the plan?

Yes, that's always the plan. "These food stamps are just too expensive when we have to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy."
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« Reply #1044 on: December 01, 2017, 11:09:03 AM »

Daines is a Yes (and Johnson, but everyone already knew that):

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/12/01/sen-steve-daines-one-of-the-last-gop-holdouts-will-back-senate-tax-bill-after-pass-through-tweak.html

To Summarize the view of the Senate:

Solidly Opposed: All 48 Dems

Likely Opposed: N/A

Lean Opposed: N/A

Toss-Up:
Lankford - He's said he'll vote against it "if it increases the deficit too much" - but didn't define what too much meant.  He's also called for a trigger provision that would raise tax rates in times of insufficent economic growth, and has explicitly refused to endorse the bill as written, although he has yet to explicitly oppose the bill and is generally a reliable vote for leadership.

Corker - Voted Yes in committee, but has been clear that his support on final passage will depend on the inclusion of a trigger provision in the bill. It is unclear if such a provision will be in the final version of the bill.

Collins - Appeared to indicate on 11/19 CNN interview that her support would depend on passage of Alexander-Murray and a separate bill she wrote with Senator Nelson, and keeping the top rate at 39.6%, instead of lowering it to 38.5%. She has, however, recently been given assurances that Trump supports both bills, and voted Yes on the Motion to Proceed.

Lean Support:
Flake - Might want to show opposition to Trump, and has raised real doubts about the eventual affect of the bill, but also probably supports the intent of this bill, and he did vote for all versions of ObamaCare Repeal.

Likely Support:
Young - Apparently has been raising deficit-related concerns about the bill, but I highly doubt he actually has a backbone.

Paul - Despite his previous stance against the framework, Paul "supports the bill as it stands right now", as reported by Bloomberg News. Still keep an eye on him, as the bill may be amended on the senate floor and it's not impossible that it could be amended in such a way that it changes his stance.

Safe Support: Other 46 GOP Senators


Overall: 49 SUPPORT,  48 AGAINST, 3 TOSS-UP
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« Reply #1045 on: December 01, 2017, 11:10:14 AM »

Good call by Mondale inside job

He predicted daines and Johnson would fold like cheap suit and that's what they did

Both just said they are yes
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« Reply #1046 on: December 01, 2017, 11:20:11 AM »

Okay, this is interesting. At approximately 10:36 ET, the Senate was called into a brief recess. I thought this was just so McConnell could keep his "no votes until 11:00" pledge intact, but it's apparently something more since it's 11:18 ET and the Senate is still recessed. C-SPAN 2 is saying Republicans are "meeting over changes to tax bill", no further details. Something is going on here.
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« Reply #1047 on: December 01, 2017, 11:39:00 AM »

Good call by Mondale inside job

He predicted daines and Johnson would fold like cheap suit and that's what they did

Both just said they are yes

Literally everyone with 5 or more brain cells called that.

Guess i don't have 5 brain cells then haha
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« Reply #1048 on: December 01, 2017, 11:40:28 AM »

So I'm assuming that the longer they stay in recess the further into the day the vote-o-rama is?

Are they still in recess?
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« Reply #1049 on: December 01, 2017, 11:41:16 AM »

Okay, Senate is back in session now, but not voting yet.
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