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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« on: August 10, 2016, 04:51:17 PM »

I'm not sanguine about the officer going in with his gun drawn, but under the situation described if he had to enter, having his gun drawn makes sense. The question is, did he need to enter, but that brief article has insufficient info to say for certain, tho it looks like he did.
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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2016, 07:18:04 AM »

I'm not sanguine about the officer going in with his gun drawn, but under the situation described if he had to enter, having his gun drawn makes sense. The question is, did he need to enter, but that brief article has insufficient info to say for certain, tho it looks like he did.
The knife guy had just left a Costco (or something) and the security tried to stop him for reasons that are unclear.  Knife guy put knife to his throat (this is all on video) and security gaurd backed off and the guy left the store.  Security guy calls cops.  The cops pull up in their car with the knife guy walking past them they start to get out as knife guy approaches, the driver is lunged at by knife guy, driver shoots him.

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Like most of these, I don't know if the guy deserved to die, but I know what would have made him NOT dead.
You left out the part about the officer already having his gun out as he was exiting the vehicle. Having watched the video, it's clear to me, albeit with the clarity of hindsight, that the officer was too close to the knife man when he exited the vehicle. There was space to begin the engagement at a distance that would have allowed everyone more time to react, especially for the knife man to realize he wasn't going to win that fight and do the sensible thing.

So the only fault I find on the officer's part is poor tactics, which may have been due to an ethos in that department that over emphasized the need to take charge of the situation.
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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2016, 05:30:02 PM »

I'm not sanguine about the officer going in with his gun drawn, but under the situation described if he had to enter, having his gun drawn makes sense. The question is, did he need to enter, but that brief article has insufficient info to say for certain, tho it looks like he did.
The knife guy had just left a Costco (or something) and the security tried to stop him for reasons that are unclear.  Knife guy put knife to his throat (this is all on video) and security gaurd backed off and the guy left the store.  Security guy calls cops.  The cops pull up in their car with the knife guy walking past them they start to get out as knife guy approaches, the driver is lunged at by knife guy, driver shoots him.

link to video

Like most of these, I don't know if the guy deserved to die, but I know what would have made him NOT dead.
You left out the part about the officer already having his gun out as he was exiting the vehicle. Having watched the video, it's clear to me, albeit with the clarity of hindsight, that the officer was too close to the knife man when he exited the vehicle. There was space to begin the engagement at a distance that would have allowed everyone more time to react, especially for the knife man to realize he wasn't going to win that fight and do the sensible thing.

So the only fault I find on the officer's part is poor tactics, which may have been due to an ethos in that department that over emphasized the need to take charge of the situation.

WTF??  It's the officer's fault a crazy man tried to stab him because he didn't give enough time for the man to "realize he wasn't going to win that fight"?

No you idiot, it's the man with the knife's fault because he's the one doing the stabbing.

Being a good police officer means trying to keep everybody safe, even the perpetrator if possible. The situation shown in the video does not appear to require the officer charge in close with his patrol car when he got to the scene to keep others safe. That the guy might be an idiot and charge him with his knife is something the officer should have kept in mind, yet the officer's tactics clearly showed either a lack of such consideration or a lack of caring if that happened. Unlike BLM, I think it was likely the former rather than the latter reason.

Taking control of a situation does not always require immediate resolution of the situation.  As I said, in hindsight, it's easy to see what he should have done.  At the time it happened, it probably wasn't, especially if the officer's training didn't cover when a patient response to a situation is preferable to a quick response.  Being a police officer is a hard job and I recognize all too often they have to do it without sufficient training, equipment, or compensation.  But precisely because it is a hard job, they need to be held to a high standard.
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