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« on: February 03, 2012, 04:10:55 PM »
« edited: February 03, 2012, 04:33:24 PM by Kevin »

Pretty interesting article and well documented article that makes a pretty strong case against the President, but also take's into account a deeply flawed Republican field.. Although the author makes clear that many factors that could sway 2012 in Pres. Obama's favour or against him have yet to emerge.

Here is the article,

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/01/31/gingrich_and_romney_are_unelectable_so_is_obama_112972.html
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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2012, 04:19:21 PM »

RCP is probably the best source of election commentary around.  Lots of RCP alumns starting to show up in national publications (Cost, Trende) and they really work the numbers.
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2012, 04:43:31 PM »
« Edited: February 03, 2012, 04:47:21 PM by MagneticFree »

Economy and jobs are still the #1 factors regarding the election.  That link makes a good point. An alternative president to Obama may not be much better, but the chances of the new president making a difference are greater.

Ask yourself these questions... Are you better off 4 years ago than today?  Do you want another 4 years of Obama, or give a new president a chance to make a difference?
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2012, 04:51:19 PM »

If Romney wins the nomination, the election will mostly be a "hold-your-nose" vote for people on both sides.

I agree: Romney maybe a cruel, dog-hating, firing-loving, poor-ignoring, cold-hearted aristocrat (I'm being sarcastic), but it's Obama who owns the economy.
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2012, 04:57:55 PM »

Economy and jobs are still the #1 factors regarding the election.  That link makes a good point. An alternative president to Obama may not be much better, but the chances of the new president making a difference are greater.

Ask yourself these questions... Are you better off 4 years ago than today?  Do you want another 4 years of Obama, or give a new president a chance to make a difference?

Mindless partisan drivel.  Bush was president 4 years ago wrecking the the economy.  The worst part of the recession for private sector jobs was Bush's last year.  Who says even the greatest president in the history of the country can undo Bush's mess in 3 years?
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2012, 05:09:38 PM »

Ask yourself these questions... Are you better off 4 years ago than today?  Do you want another 4 years of Obama, or give a new president a chance to make a difference?

Mindless partisan drivel.  Bush was president 4 years ago wrecking the the economy.  The worst part of the recession for private sector jobs was Bush's last year.  Who says even the greatest president in the history of the country can undo Bush's mess in 3 years?

Of course the destruction of the country dates from Reagan, Link - the advent of neo-liberalism.

That said, no one can be 'better off' four years closer to death, can they?
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2012, 05:14:25 PM »

Desperation by the folks on the right.

Lets be real, if the economy moves along as it has the past 3 months then Obama will win....and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2012, 05:17:00 PM »

I feel like 2012 will be a replay of the 1984 election, but if said election was timeshifted from 1984 to 1983.
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2012, 05:19:31 PM »

Economy and jobs are still the #1 factors regarding the election.  That link makes a good point. An alternative president to Obama may not be much better, but the chances of the new president making a difference are greater.

Ask yourself these questions... Are you better off 4 years ago than today?  Do you want another 4 years of Obama, or give a new president a chance to make a difference?

Mindless partisan drivel.  Bush was president 4 years ago wrecking the the economy.  The worst part of the recession for private sector jobs was Bush's last year.  Who says even the greatest president in the history of the country can undo Bush's mess in 3 years?

You heard it here first: Obama's "read my lips" moment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRAMdUNo2Cg
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2012, 05:22:41 PM »

If Romney becomes president, I bet the far right and far left will do whatever they can to tear him apart and mold him into something else.
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2012, 10:32:33 PM »

Desperation by the folks on the right.

Lets be real, if the economy moves along as it has the past 3 months then Obama will win....and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.

No that is not certain, the economic recovery is still very fragile and vulnerable to market events(i.e. Europe) in the coming weeks & months. Only time will tell if it will give Obama a significant enough boost to win reelection. So far over the past couple of months into the new year, it hasn't.
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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2012, 10:34:33 PM »

Desperation by the folks on the right.

Lets be real, if the economy moves along as it has the past 3 months then Obama will win....and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.

No that is not certain, the economic recovery is still very fragile and vulnerable to market events(i.e. Europe) in the coming weeks & months. Only time will tell if it will give Obama a significant enough boost to win reelection. So far over the past couple of months into the new year, it hasn't.

Europe is already in a recession, and it is not having any affect on the economy. A few months ago I would have agreed with you, but the recent data is putting to that this may be a legit recovery.
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2012, 10:38:08 PM »

Economy and jobs are still the #1 factors regarding the election.  That link makes a good point. An alternative president to Obama may not be much better, but the chances of the new president making a difference are greater.

Ask yourself these questions... Are you better off 4 years ago than today?  Do you want another 4 years of Obama, or give a new president a chance to make a difference?

Yes, objectively yes, considering that four years ago the global economy had just collapsed dramatically and the US has been slowly recovering since then.
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2012, 10:59:55 PM »

Economy and jobs are still the #1 factors regarding the election.  That link makes a good point. An alternative president to Obama may not be much better, but the chances of the new president making a difference are greater.

Ask yourself these questions... Are you better off 4 years ago than today?  Do you want another 4 years of Obama, or give a new president a chance to make a difference?

Suppose that four years ago you were a reeling drunk and you got your lower leg mangled so badly in a liquor-fueled vehicle collision that physicians had to amputate a leg just below the kneecap. Your late-model Lexus was totaled. You spent time in prison as a convicted felon for the fifth DUI charge and you lost your CPA certification, so you effectively flushed away a lucrative career. You are now a janitor... but you are a non-drinker. You "gave your life to Jesus" and found meaning in life therefrom that you never had before. You no longer get into fights in bars. Your trophy wife left you when you were no longer a ticket to the materialistic  Good Life. You have since remarried some widow closer to your age but at least your step-children have some respect for you. You are helping with the homework because you are still good at math and English. Your car is now a car older than the one that you totaled -- a mass-market Ford.

Congratulations. You are a better person after all that. You should have given up the booze earlier, but at least your liver isn't advancing to cirrhosis, you are finally doing good for people who need it, and have found some meaning in life that you never had when you were enjoying a morally-empty but indulgent American dream.  In some of the most important respects you have a better life. You might have to settle for watching high-school basketball instead of the pro version.

We may have to ask ourselves whether we were on a better course four years ago than we are today. Sometimes one must make a U-turn on the road to ruin.
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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2012, 12:50:42 AM »

The only way Romney would be unelectable would be based on religion, and it seems that enough Christians and Catholics among the Republicans will vote for him.  He's not seen as untrustworthy in terms of governing and mainstream politics.  As long as Romney picks a somewhat sane and experienced VP, he will be fine. 

Obama would not have won without Biden, with his 30 years of experience and Catholic base, helping him win the election.
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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2012, 12:59:10 AM »

There's a difference between unelectable and unpopular.  Obama is unpopular.  Mitt and Newt are unelectable.
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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2012, 12:31:43 PM »

Desperation by the folks on the right.

Lets be real, if the economy moves along as it has the past 3 months then Obama will win....and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.

No that is not certain, the economic recovery is still very fragile and vulnerable to market events(i.e. Europe) in the coming weeks & months. Only time will tell if it will give Obama a significant enough boost to win reelection. So far over the past couple of months into the new year, it hasn't.

Europe is already in a recession, and it is not having any affect on the economy. A few months ago I would have agreed with you, but the recent data is putting to that this may be a legit recovery.

I find that pretty hard to believe, Your sources?

I think it is still too early to point to this as a "legit recovery". 
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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2012, 01:00:51 PM »

Economy and jobs are still the #1 factors regarding the election.  That link makes a good point. An alternative president to Obama may not be much better, but the chances of the new president making a difference are greater.

Ask yourself these questions... Are you better off 4 years ago than today?  Do you want another 4 years of Obama, or give a new president a chance to make a difference?

Yes, objectively yes, considering that four years ago the global economy had just collapsed dramatically and the US has been slowly recovering since then.
Well, in fairness, you probably aren't better off, being Irish. I think by the time November comes around people will be not be much better or worse off than in 2008 (unless there is a nuclear war or European collapse or something), which isn't good enough for a guy with Romney's charisma to win. If somehow Santorum gets through I think he has a shot.
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