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President Tyrion
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« on: July 02, 2014, 12:12:26 AM »

Wait, so are we giving workers the unilateral option to create this hiring hall environment, or is this implied to be part of a CBA?
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President Tyrion
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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2014, 01:43:14 AM »

Yeah, all of this is redundant. No one can discriminate against anyone anyway, we don't need new legislation to reaffirm that.

No, but a hiring hall essentially farms the hiring process out to the union.
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President Tyrion
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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2014, 08:20:00 PM »

What is the benefit of unions deciding who gets hired?

The idea is that the union has a better idea of the vocation than management, and thus can efficiently assign the best worker to the position.

Naturally, management has a say in allowing this to happen, so it's a pretty fair deal. The CBA is a mutual agreement, after all.
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President Tyrion
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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2014, 08:20:46 PM »

Abstain

I'm not sure I really mind the amendment, I'm not sure why the amendment is necessary, and I'm not sure I really know why TNF objected.
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President Tyrion
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2014, 11:36:15 PM »

What is the benefit of unions deciding who gets hired?

The idea is that the union has a better idea of the vocation than management, and thus can efficiently assign the best worker to the position.

Naturally, management has a say in allowing this to happen, so it's a pretty fair deal. The CBA is a mutual agreement, after all.
The CBA may be a mutual agreement, but under the current text, the mere fact of having a CBA would require the establishment of a hiring hall (at the request of the union), even if the CBA said nothing about that.

I'll propose an amendment after the vote.
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President Tyrion
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2014, 02:01:14 AM »

Aye


I'm not sure I really know why TNF objected.

He didn't, the default position in the absence of friendly feedback is hostile.

Ah, for some reason I thought he did. Thanks for the clarification, Yankee.
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President Tyrion
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2014, 02:51:14 AM »

Under the presumption of the amendment having passed:

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President Tyrion
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2014, 07:10:16 PM »

JoMCaR, I'm not really sure what the purpose of your amendment is. Could you clarify?

To make sure that the hiring process in companies doesn't end up in the hand of a few big union bosses. By giving the same power to the employer, we can assure more of a balance ^^

I don't understand. A CBA is a mutual agreement; is it unfair to restrict those terms?
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2014, 09:37:26 PM »

Nay

"Any" implies "All" is an option, anyway, for what it's worth, so I doubt this matters.
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2014, 10:35:16 PM »

Aye

I don't really understand the opposition to this. This is only enabling employers and unions to be able to agree to implement a hiring hall; this isn't forcing anyone to do anything.
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