Opinion of Matthew27?

[John Dule]

There are multiple socialists/communists on this site, so why ban some random fascist?

[John Dule]

There are multiple socialists/communists on this site, so why ban some random fascist?

Because none of them have been shown to be Stalinists/Maoists while Matthew has been exposed to being a Neo-Nazi(Stormfroters are Neo-Nazis)

Okay, but do we know he's genuinely a Neo-Nazi? As far as I can tell, all we know is that he's posted a lot on Stormfront. That doesn't necessarily prove that he adheres to Nazi ideology. For example, I've posted on 4Chan before, but only to try to convince them that their theories about human evolution are pseudoscientific (of course, it didn't work).

Regardless, where is the value in banning someone from a platform just because you don't agree with them? Just block him if you don't want to read his comments.

[John Dule]

Even Free Republic bans posters from StormFront: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1163943/posts?page=1

So? Sorry, I really don't understand what's to be gained from banning someone if you want them to change their mind.

[John Dule]

There are multiple socialists/communists on this site, so why ban some random fascist?

Because none of them have been shown to be Stalinists/Maoists while Matthew has been exposed to being a Neo-Nazi(Stormfroters are Neo-Nazis)

Okay, but do we know he's genuinely a Neo-Nazi? As far as I can tell, all we know is that he's posted a lot on Stormfront. That doesn't necessarily prove that he adheres to Nazi ideology. For example, I've posted on 4Chan before, but only to try to convince them that their theories about human evolution are pseudoscientific (of course, it didn't work).

Regardless, where is the value in banning someone from a platform just because you don't agree with them? Just block him if you don't want to read his comments.

Dude are you serious right now... nobody who isn't a Neo-Nazi would make OVER 10,000 posts on the internet's most infamous white supremacist forum. he is clearly exactly what he appears to be, as unfortunate as that is.

So why do you want to ban him?

[John Dule]

There are multiple socialists/communists on this site, so why ban some random fascist?

Because none of them have been shown to be Stalinists/Maoists while Matthew has been exposed to being a Neo-Nazi(Stormfroters are Neo-Nazis)

Okay, but do we know he's genuinely a Neo-Nazi? As far as I can tell, all we know is that he's posted a lot on Stormfront. That doesn't necessarily prove that he adheres to Nazi ideology. For example, I've posted on 4Chan before, but only to try to convince them that their theories about human evolution are pseudoscientific (of course, it didn't work).

Regardless, where is the value in banning someone from a platform just because you don't agree with them? Just block him if you don't want to read his comments.

Dude are you serious right now... nobody who isn't a Neo-Nazi would make OVER 10,000 posts on the internet's most infamous white supremacist forum. he is clearly exactly what he appears to be, as unfortunate as that is.

So why do you want to ban him?

Because he's a white supremacist who has made several vile and unquestionably racist posts?

So block him and stop being childish.

[John Dule]

Anyone who posts on StormFront (let alone a five-figure post count) is beyond help.

Very succinctly put.

I have to say that I disagree. My ideological past isn't exactly secret on here. I used to post on Stormfront (although, certainly nowhere near 10,000 posts and only for a brief period of time), so I certainly don't believe that simply because someone posts on Stormfront then they're beyond redemption. There are even former Aryan Nation, KKK, and other assorted White Supremacists who were quite committed to their ideology, including tattoos, rituals, and demonstrations of violence, who've been redeemed.

Whether or not Matthew27 can be is an interesting question and, without knowing him better, is impossible for anyone to truly answer. So, while I'm not in favor of him being immediately banned, I do believe he should be closely monitored and subject to more rigorous scrutiny by the moderators than ordinary posters.

So you used to be a fascist and now you're a socialist? Figures. Reminds me of that Onion article entitled "Former Cult Members Find New Life With Jesus Christ."

[John Dule]

Amazing that posters are really going out of their way sticking their necks out for white supremacists. Unfortunately not at all surprised though.

(Sorry for the repost, had to delete this originally to screencap proof that Gov Story was my 1989th post.)

Oh my God, and it's so amazing that the ACLU defends the freedom of speech of NAZIS. The ACLU is confirmed as a racist organization.

[John Dule]

Anyone who posts on StormFront (let alone a five-figure post count) is beyond help.

Very succinctly put.

I have to say that I disagree. My ideological past isn't exactly secret on here. I used to post on Stormfront (although, certainly nowhere near 10,000 posts and only for a brief period of time), so I certainly don't believe that simply because someone posts on Stormfront then they're beyond redemption. There are even former Aryan Nation, KKK, and other assorted White Supremacists who were quite committed to their ideology, including tattoos, rituals, and demonstrations of violence, who've been redeemed.

Whether or not Matthew27 can be is an interesting question and, without knowing him better, is impossible for anyone to truly answer. So, while I'm not in favor of him being immediately banned, I do believe he should be closely monitored and subject to more rigorous scrutiny by the moderators than ordinary posters.

So you used to be a fascist and now you're a socialist? Figures. Reminds me of that Onion article entitled "Former Cult Members Find New Life With Jesus Christ."

So, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground? Figures. People who depend upon simplistic intellectual and moral structures tend to be drawn to ideologies such as Libertarianism, then pretend like they're superior to others in their simplicity.

I'm quite certain that you don't have the slightest clue what the actual teachings of Marxism are, what philosophic foundations it is founded upon, or what motivates most people to support it. I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but I'm confident that, in this situation, that won't occur.

I mean, I've taken multiple Marx-related classes in the political philosophy department at my university, and I've read (and written about) Kapital, the Manifesto, German Ideology, the Jewish Question, and many of his other writings pretty extensively. I may not know everything about Marx, but I know enough to understand that anyone who still adheres to his philosophy in the 21st century is an ignoramus who is probably drawn to extreme political systems due to a severe lack of satisfaction with his own life decisions. I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but I too am confident that, in this situation, that won't occur either.

[John Dule]

10k post count on Stormfront is a deal breaker; the forum doesn't exist to coddle people with personality disorders or appeals to 'bOtH sIdEz' enabling centrism. This is not THE INTERNET and too many people think the online inertia of the past few years and the 'market place of ideas' bull that demands snowflake closet door busting white supremacists get a platform is how everwhere should be.

This is a publicly searchable forum. You're all here, all of us at discretion.

So you're so sure of your self that you're going to tell millions of people that look at real data that we're wrong. Maybe you and some other people should consider some things going on around you as they may well end up resulting in a safer world for us all.

Liberals really aint the powerhouse of knowledge they were in the old days that is for sure...A movement that has turned into a I hate whites and I hate men. Idiocy I'd say and that is exactly were that movement is directing us towards.

Keep on digging this ditch for yourself; you might make me almost regret defending you.

[John Dule]

Is there something about having a yellow avatar that melts your brain?

You should read what he posted in the 'Political Positions' thread. He really believes he has everything figured out lol.

At the risk of sounding as though I care about your opinion, that's a thread for posting your political beliefs, and so I posted my political beliefs. I don't see why that would come across as any more "having it all figured out" than any other post in those 50+ pages.

[John Dule]

If he should be banned, it should be primarily because of how much of a freaking dumba*s he is for telling people.

Stop the hedging - it's painful to watch when you won't pass either standard

If John Adams can defend the British soldiers from the Boston Massacre, I feel like we should get a pass for defending some anonymous internet wrongthinker's right to free speech. You guys have every right to push for a permaban, just as we have a right to defend the free use of this platform. It's not up to either of us to decide, but you need to stop dismissing the other perspective offhand like this. It's extremely childish.

[John Dule]

If he should be banned, it should be primarily because of how much of a freaking dumba*s he is for telling people.

Stop the hedging - it's painful to watch when you won't pass either standard

If John Adams can defend the British soldiers from the Boston Massacre, I feel like we should get a pass for defending some anonymous internet wrongthinker's right to free speech. You guys have every right to push for a permaban, just as we have a right to defend the free use of this platform. It's not up to either of us to decide, but you need to stop dismissing the other perspective offhand like this. It's extremely childish.

Comparing onself to John Adams? Talk about a delusion of grandeur.

The point of my post was that the two are incomparable, because one is clearly much more controversial than the other.

[John Dule]

Is there something about having a yellow avatar that melts your brain?

You should read what he posted in the 'Political Positions' thread. He really believes he has everything figured out lol.

At the risk of sounding as though I care about your opinion, that's a thread for posting your political beliefs, and so I posted my political beliefs. I don't see why that would come across as any more "having it all figured out" than any other post in those 50+ pages.

What's objectionable about the post in question isn't its form, it's its content.

Well, you're free to make that argument, but that's not what was being said.

[John Dule]

Is there something about having a yellow avatar that melts your brain?

You should read what he posted in the 'Political Positions' thread. He really believes he has everything figured out lol.

At the risk of sounding as though I care about your opinion, that's a thread for posting your political beliefs, and so I posted my political beliefs. I don't see why that would come across as any more "having it all figured out" than any other post in those 50+ pages.

What's objectionable about the post in question isn't its form, it's its content.

Well, you're free to make that argument, but that's not what was being said.

I don't really agree that it's not what was being said. The combination of extreme, idiosyncratic views (to be clear, I don't think having extreme, idiosyncratic views is necessarily a bad thing in and of itself, but let's call your views what they are) and open lack of respect for democracy strikes me as pontificating and arrogant. I'd even go so far as to say that it's an inherently authoritarian approach to politics, even if it's in the service of libertarian policy preferences.

In any case, you're not the subject of this thread and attacks on you or defenses of you don't contribute to the discussion of what's to be done about matthew27, so let's leave it here if you don't mind.

I like you.

[John Dule]

Wait there's a literal white supremacist on Atlas? Wtf

It makes you wonder how many other posters we have who share the same views but are more secretive about them.

Most of the Atlas Experience makes me wonder how may posters we have here who secretly hate America, want it to fail, and work for it to fail because their real allegiance is to the enemies of America.

I can wonder about secret agendas as well as you can.  The people here who hate America are smart enough to overtly deny it, but they give up the ghost with their posts.

Shut up.

Putting white supremacy and whatever dumb sh**t you think constitutes as "hating America" on the same moral plane is vile even for you.

Womp womp.