North Korea Mega Thread

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Another tremendous tweet:

"Why would Kim Jong-un insult me by calling me "old," when I would NEVER call him "short and fat?" Oh well, I try so hard to be his friend - and maybe someday that will happen!"
--@realDonaldTrump
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/929511061954297857

I guess one of Trump's sitters finally got around to explaining what 'dotard' meant?

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This is insane. Why do we allow lunatics to have such power?

Because he won the Electoral College. majority in the Supreme People's Assembly of North Korea.

Look, we all know Trump is more popular with America's opponents than he is with Americans or our friends and allies, but do you seriously expect us to believe a majority of whatever sham assembly North Korea has would vote for him?

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Thanks alot Trump...keep tweeting you orangutan/human hybrid

Why are you insulting orangutans (and humans, though we kind of have it coming) like that?

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North Korea is no threat to the United States none of these so called ‘ICBMs’ have successfully reentered the atmosphere and there’s no evidence they can miniaturize a nuclear warhead. If it was up to me we would pull out of South Korea and let them defend themselves. It’s too bad the news media likes to exaggerate threats from third world countries like Iran and North Korea in order to give warmongers ammunition for their reckless military adventures,

They will get there within 6 months to a year according to the latest media reporting on the IC analysis of this. Also, they are ICBMs, not "so called". Please feel free to watch NASIC's recreation demo of the most recent launch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3gZWkLRN-c

The media should do its job and is doing so. The threats from NK and Iran are real, Iran has been tamed via the JCPOA but has the capability to ramp things up even more if it wanted to.

The media and the hawks in the government and think tanks have been "warning" about Iranian nukes in 18 months since the 90s.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/07/north-korea-ready-direct-talks-us-sergei-lavrov

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Russia gets to position itself as the sane voice of reason. Another payday from their investment in Traitor Trump.

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There's a line in the show "Last Resort" (one season, ABC) that you have to make them think "You're just crazy enough (that you might launch nukes)".  This is what Trump is doing, essentially.  And really, the opinion from the left just helps his strategy because lil' Kim over there has to be thinking daily about if Trump is a crazy enough SOB to launch at them.

So just like Trump, you'd set national strategic nuclear policy based on what you saw on TV?

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Lindsey Graham says there's a 30% chance US will strike NK, rising to 70% if they conduct another nuclear test:

Missile or nuclear?

Nuclear.  The full quote is:

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Graham is a worthless chicken hawk who likes to talk out of his ass. I wouldn't lend him the least amount of credibility on knowing the administration's thinking.

That's not to say that conflict with the DPRK can't happen, I just refuse to trust or take seriously anything said by Lindsey Graham.

He said he got this gist of this when talking NK with Trump when he played golf with him the other day. I would think that lend Graham some credibility here.

If you think things Trump says add credibility to anything, your analytical skills are much worse than I thought.

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Lindsey Graham says there's a 30% chance US will strike NK, rising to 70% if they conduct another nuclear test:

Missile or nuclear?

Nuclear.  The full quote is:

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Graham is a worthless chicken hawk who likes to talk out of his ass. I wouldn't lend him the least amount of credibility on knowing the administration's thinking.

That's not to say that conflict with the DPRK can't happen, I just refuse to trust or take seriously anything said by Lindsey Graham.

He said he got this gist of this when talking NK with Trump when he played golf with him the other day. I would think that lend Graham some credibility here.

If you think things Trump says add credibility to anything, your analytical skills are much worse than I thought.

What grown men say to each other in private is much more accurate than what is put out after the fact in political comments, etc. History bears this out re behind the scenes discussions of policy with past presidents. If Graham discussed this with Trump, it isn't that far of a stretch to believe that it is what Trump also believes.

I don't disagree with your general statement about private comments. (Look at what we know of Hillary's private discussions for example.) Where I disagree with you is the presumption that Trump has ANY coherent mental model of ANYTHING, much less the relations between North Korea and the United States. Trump does not have plans. He has grudges, whims, fits and a desperate, desperate need for flattery and validation.

In short, there is no there there for Graham to convey information about.

Also, there's this https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/tillerson-offers-olive-branch-to-north-korea-if-it-abandons-nuclear-weapons/2017/12/15/06b4fce4-e198-11e7-bbd0-9dfb2e37492a_story.html Pushing back against he sitting SecState by the WH over attempts at diplomacy. What does that tell you? It doesn't give me dovish vibes, only that Trump is taking hawkish stances on this.

It tells me that Trump is an impolitic egomaniac who is alienated from his Secretary of State, and that he is far too incompetent as a politician and executive to handle that.



I think war with North Korea is a real possibility, but if it happens it will be for one of two reasons. Either gross provocation by the North Koreans that forces the US government, not Trump, to act, or Trump will launch a war on a fit or a whim and no one stops him.

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Update:

NK now working on anthrax/other bio agent ICBMs https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/12/20/report-north-korea-now-testing-biological-weapon-anthrax-on-icbms/23313045/

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Def not a good thing.

As long as they're not loading them with psychopathic con artists reality tv show hosts, I think the world will manage.

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Update:

NK now working on anthrax/other bio agent ICBMs https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/12/20/report-north-korea-now-testing-biological-weapon-anthrax-on-icbms/23313045/

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Def not a good thing.

This is BS promoted by the US government and their accomplices in the western media, this is the same crap Bush made up about Iraq in 2003, when they realized they couldn't convince people the nuclear threat was real they started trying to scare people with "Anthrax". I saw a report in the news a couple days ago that even the secretary of defense Mattis dosant believe North Koreas "ICBM" posed any threat to the United States, I said that several days ago and everyone called me a troll. It's so odvious this administration wants a big war with either North Korea of Iran to shoot his approval rating up to 60% and assure the republicans blow out the democrats next year. Personally, I don't get why they think they need a war to do that because Knowing the democrats track record they'll probably get blown out next year without a war.

They may tell each other that it's about approval ratings and beting the Dems. But really, we all know it's really about compensating their own personal inadequacies (especially Trump's).



P.S. I mean his draft dodging and personal cowardice, obviously.

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Well, looks like Japan might change its constitution thanks to North Korea's missile program.

In the 1980s, Japan threatened to start  developing nuclear weapons in the event that North Korea did. Neither China nor the Soviet Union protested, even though both were opposed to nuclear proliferation. I'm guessing that the Japanese would have bought Soviet nukes or hired Soviet nuclear scientists.

The Soviet Union and China put an end to any North Korean nuke program.

I'm not sure about back then, but these day's isn't Japan the poster child for, 'we can have nuclear-tipped ICBMs within 6 months of deciding to have them, maybe sooner?"

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Well, looks like Japan might change its constitution thanks to North Korea's missile program.

In the 1980s, Japan threatened to start  developing nuclear weapons in the event that North Korea did. Neither China nor the Soviet Union protested, even though both were opposed to nuclear proliferation. I'm guessing that the Japanese would have bought Soviet nukes or hired Soviet nuclear scientists.

The Soviet Union and China put an end to any North Korean nuke program.

I'm not sure about back then, but these day's isn't Japan the poster child for, 'we can have nuclear-tipped ICBMs within 6 months of deciding to have them, maybe sooner?"

Saudi Arabia is said to have the ability to get nukes ASAP due to close relationship with Pakistan, but it's not the same as having ability to quickly assemble it on its own.

I know people say that, but given that Pakistan wouldn't even let the Saudis borrow their army, I'm gonna bet on 'no' when it comes to giving them nukes.

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BREAKING: US considering "limited" strike on NK, expecting it not to escalate IOT give NK a "bloody nose." Epic stupidity thinking that the NKs will not escalate when they respond in kind. Wow.

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-reportedly-wants-bloody-nose-strike-against-north-korea-2017-12

BBC sourcing comes from The Daily Telegraph sources from within the administration.

That is remarkably terrible analysis by whatever hack thinks it’ll end at a “bloody nose.” This isn’t Syria or Libya we’re talking about

It's an analysis coming from a political faction that believes in things because they really want them to be true. It's an analysis ultimately from the same group of people as Roy Moore's spokescritter. It's par for the course. (And it's not like the non-Trump faction of our government has any better record.)

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Treating this with all the respect it deserves...

Can someone please just get Trump some viagra and male enhancement surgery, for the sake of our national security?

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North Korean leader reopens border hotline

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The official US State Dept response:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-warns-north-korea-against-missile-test-plays-011926400--spt.html

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This would be a perfect moment for the host of Apprentice President to claim all his talk about his huge "button" had produced results. Instead, his lickspittles are trying to snuff out any hint of diplomacy. It's clear that the Trump administration wants a nuclear war.

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Imagine if Bush said something like this about Saddam.

I know, imagine if Bush sent a tweet instead of, you know, actually starting a freaking war!

No matter what you say you would have fully supported Bush at the time. Probably would have been mad at him for not using nukes in Iraq and Afghanistan too.

Oh I did. I was ten. Then a roadside bomb blew up my school's lunch lady's son. What's your excuse?

Why are you still a Republican then?