School Standards Reform Bill (Failed)

[MasterJedi]

After a week with 4 Ayes, 5 Nays and 0 Abstentions this amendment has failed. Please nobody comment on anything else until tonight after I'm back for work so we can get this to a final vote, ok?

[MasterJedi]

I hereby open up a final vote on the bill below. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain

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Aye

[Marokai Backbeat]

Nay

[Purple State]

Aye

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Aye

[HappyWarrior]

I like the bill but I think it violates the powers of the regions......

Abstain

[Franzl]

Aye

[afleitch]

Theres some room for maneouver in this bill so - Aye

[MasterJedi]

This bill has enough votes to pass. Senators now have 24 hours to change their votes.

[Bacon King]

abstain

[MasterJedi]

With 5 Ayes, 1 Nay and 2 Abstentions this bill has passed. I hereby present it to the President for his signature.

[bgwah]

Veto, I agree with Senator Marokai's opinion as voiced in the Sentinel for those curious.

[MasterJedi]

Don't ask for a veo, or at least that's my recommendation. There's not the votes to override it. Wait until next Senate is what I say.

[HappyWarrior]

I intend to vote againest any veto override on a regional rights basis.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I intend to vote againest any veto override on a regional rights basis.

As do I, only, for the children.

[Vepres]

Veto, I agree with Senator Marokai's opinion as voiced in the Sentinel for those curious.

Here's a link to the article with Marokai's comments for those interested.

[Purple State]

How does this, as Marokai said, pretend that if all kids work hard they will be successful. What is does is exactly what Marokai wants: it provides a basic standard of education that ensures that all children receive a well-rounded learning experience.

[Ebowed]

How does this, as Marokai said, pretend that if all kids work hard they will be successful.

By making the high school standards so strict and non-negotiable.

[Marokai Backbeat]

How does this, as Marokai said, pretend that if all kids work hard they will be successful.

By making the high school standards so strict and non-negotiable.

Pretty much. I'm all for a well-rounded education and I think the vast majority of this bill is fine & dandy, but the high school section just seems like it's loading the work onto kids, and being entirely inflexible. It requires students do multiple courses in all sorts of subjects and languages, and electives, and mandatory PhysEd.

I've often talked to my mom and my grandparents about education and different subjects as I've grown up and gone through the school system, and my grandmother, a quite well educated woman, used to tell me that what I was doing around the 9-10th grade was something she only had to study if she was going to college!

Quite frankly, and forgive me if this sounds immature but, much of the junk you're taught around the end of the 10th grade through to graduation, is almost entirely unnecessary for most of us. I bet half of the adults on this site have completely forgot some of the advanced mathematics you're taught towards the end of the school unless they were planning on a career which would use that sort of information from the beginning. (And they spend the first year of college basically rehashing everything you learned at the end of high school anyway.)

Which, by the way, is my point. By the 11th and 12th grade we should be allowing students to drop and pick the classes they want to take (similar to the way college courses are selected), or only the classes they are most proficient in instead of forcing ALL of the students to do everything, in addition to electives and mandatory PhysEd. If someone is a star at World History and wants to be a historian or a professor, we shouldn't force him to take Calculus or Physics in the latter half of the high school years. Conversely, if a student is a complete math-whiz and wants to be a scientist, he shouldn't be forced to take advanced world history or advanced English, because I'm pretty sure by now these kids have a grasp on how to read and write, and a basic grasp of history as it's relevant to their lives.

Basically, we should stick with the one-size-fits-all approach, but make it more flexible and workable to the individual student and their individual talent. And by high school, shouldn't be wasting their time forcing them to climb ropes or run the track when there are: A. More important things they could be doing, and B. More effective ways to teach a healthy lifestyle.

[Vepres]

How does this, as Marokai said, pretend that if all kids work hard they will be successful.

By making the high school standards so strict and non-negotiable.

Pretty much. I'm all for a well-rounded education and I think the vast majority of this bill is fine & dandy, but the high school section just seems like it's loading the work onto kids, and being entirely inflexible. It requires students do multiple courses in all sorts of subjects and languages, and electives, and mandatory PhysEd.

I've often talked to my mom and my grandparents about education and different subjects as I've grown up and gone through the school system, and my grandmother, a quite well educated woman, used to tell me that what I was doing around the 9-10th grade was something she only had to study if she was going to college!

Quite frankly, and forgive me if this sounds immature but, much of the junk you're taught around the end of the 10th grade through to graduation, is almost entirely unnecessary for most of us. I bet half of the adults on this site have completely forgot some of the advanced mathematics you're taught towards the end of the school unless they were planning on a career which would use that sort of information from the beginning. (And they spend the first year of college basically rehashing everything you learned at the end of high school anyway.)

Which, by the way, is my point. By the 11th and 12th grade we should be allowing students to drop and pick the classes they want to take (similar to the way college courses are selected), or only the classes they are most proficient in instead of forcing ALL of the students to do everything, in addition to electives and mandatory PhysEd. If someone is a star at World History and wants to be a historian or a professor, we shouldn't force him to take Calculus or Physics in the latter half of the high school years. Conversely, if a student is a complete math-whiz and wants to be a scientist, he shouldn't be forced to take advanced world history or advanced English, because I'm pretty sure by now these kids have a grasp on how to read and write, and a basic grasp of history as it's relevant to their lives.

Basically, we should stick with the one-size-fits-all approach, but make it more flexible and workable to the individual student and their individual talent. And by high school, shouldn't be wasting their time forcing them to climb ropes or run the track when there are: A. More important things they could be doing, and B. More effective ways to teach a healthy lifestyle.

While I agree with you on this bill, I must play devil's advocate for a second. Many, if not most people don't know what career path they want to take until they're well into college. For example, if somebody wanted to be a historian, and took history classes in their Junior and Senior years, then went to college and decided they wanted to be an engineer, then all of the sudden they have to make-up those two high school years of math they missed plus the college mathematics.

I disagree with this bill mainly because of regional governments.