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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« on: January 22, 2016, 06:36:33 AM »
« edited: January 22, 2016, 03:09:23 PM by True Federalist »

One of the reasons Israel puts forth for why the U.S. should support it is it's claim to be an egalitarian democracy. If that changes by making the Arab citizens of Israel officially second-class citizens then it will severely weaken that claim. Not that I think any Israeli government would be so stupid as to do that anytime soon. It would require either something closer to 95% support rather than merely 45% support or the U.S. having already disassociated itself from the Zionist state, and I would be totally shocked if either necessary condition happened during my lifetime.
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2016, 08:59:53 PM »

That's obviously terrible, but it's nowhere near as bad as the leadership of the other side wanting to massacre all the Jews.


See, this is the classic retort when there's no way to argue your side is the lesser evil.

Since when is being the lesser evil good enough to pick one side over the other?
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2016, 09:45:32 PM »

That's obviously terrible, but it's nowhere near as bad as the leadership of the other side wanting to massacre all the Jews.


See, this is the classic retort when there's no way to argue your side is the lesser evil.

Since when is being the lesser evil good enough to pick one side over the other?

Virtually always?

That assumes you have to choose.  Non-choice is always a third option, and often the best one when the two choices are both bad. (Tho not always.)
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2016, 01:51:14 PM »

That assumes you have to choose.  Non-choice is always a third option, and often the best one when the two choices are both bad. (Tho not always.)

No it isn't.

Nazi Germany vs the USSR in WWII is the textbook example of this.

Yes, it would have been a choice.  A bad choice in that particular example, yet still a choice.  It's an example that breaks the general rule.
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2016, 03:50:19 PM »

Oppress people to the point that they hate you and then use that to retroactively justify that oppression.
To be fair, just as the Zionists are not entirely blameful, the Palestinians aren't entirely blameless.

Anyone trying to solve this problem need to make worrying about blame a minor concern, and only to the extent that it might lead to a way to resolve it peacefully.
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