Democratic National Convention **live commentary thread**

[Devout Centrist]

But then again, sometimes any random person off the street can become a professor and still not fully grasp what they have studied.

Nice edit. Unlike you, though, I have actually studied

I talk circles around people like you on a regular basis, including a political science professor who worked for Lawton Chiles. I've written a novel, run for office, served on two appointed committees (state and local) and I've helping to advise two political campaigns. Thanks for playing.

This isn't an ethos contest, dammit.

Ethos or egos?

Gentlemen, this is an English-language forum. Let us use the language correctly.

May as well be both, why not?

[ag]

If it makes you guys feel any better, you're both shtposters.

But then I am too.

If you insist that all fun smells badly....

[ag]

But then again, sometimes any random person off the street can become a professor and still not fully grasp what they have studied.

Nice edit. Unlike you, though, I have actually studied

I talk circles around people like you on a regular basis, including a political science professor who worked for Lawton Chiles. I've written a novel, run for office, served on two appointed committees (state and local) and I've helping to advise two political campaigns. Thanks for playing.

This isn't an ethos contest, dammit.

Ethos or egos?

Gentlemen, this is an English-language forum. Let us use the language correctly.

May as well be both, why not?

Has either of one discussed "ethos"? I mean, there has, lately, been some scatological discussion here, but that does not imply we have moved towards eschatology, has it?

[Devout Centrist]

Here's a definition no one here has probably ever seen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_economy

A mixed economy is not socialism. Socialism is not communism. Capitalism is not corporatism.

Look, this is a pretty minor issue. Aspects of the State are funded by all in a system that has similarities to socialism. That does not make the State socialist if it has a publicly funded police force or educational system, to name a couple of examples. Socialism is the State controlling the means of production. Capitalism is private individuals controlling the means of production. A mixed economy has elements of both. End of discussion.

[Devout Centrist]

But then again, sometimes any random person off the street can become a professor and still not fully grasp what they have studied.

Nice edit. Unlike you, though, I have actually studied

I talk circles around people like you on a regular basis, including a political science professor who worked for Lawton Chiles. I've written a novel, run for office, served on two appointed committees (state and local) and I've helping to advise two political campaigns. Thanks for playing.

This isn't an ethos contest, dammit.

Ethos or egos?

Gentlemen, this is an English-language forum. Let us use the language correctly.

May as well be both, why not?

Has either of one discussed "ethos"? I mean, there has, lately, been some scatological discussion here, but that does not imply we have moved towards eschatology, has it?

Well I feel like the world's ending.

[ag]

I guess, this is now appropriate:

[ag]

But then again, sometimes any random person off the street can become a professor and still not fully grasp what they have studied.

Nice edit. Unlike you, though, I have actually studied

I talk circles around people like you on a regular basis, including a political science professor who worked for Lawton Chiles. I've written a novel, run for office, served on two appointed committees (state and local) and I've helping to advise two political campaigns. Thanks for playing.

This isn't an ethos contest, dammit.

Ethos or egos?

Gentlemen, this is an English-language forum. Let us use the language correctly.

May as well be both, why not?

Has either of one discussed "ethos"? I mean, there has, lately, been some scatological discussion here, but that does not imply we have moved towards eschatology, has it?

Well I feel like the world's ending.

And you are, probably, right. At least, if Trump wins.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

Here's a definition no one here has probably ever seen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_economy

A mixed economy is not socialism. Socialism is not communism. Capitalism is not corporatism.

Look, this is a pretty minor issue. Aspects of the State are funded by all in a system that has similarities to socialism. That does not make the State socialist if it has a publicly funded police force or educational system, to name a couple of examples. Socialism is the State controlling the means of production. Capitalism is private individuals controlling the means of production. A mixed economy has elements of both. End of discussion.

But even that's not correct.  Socialism is defined by democratic control of the economy or decision-making powers of industry belonging to workers.  Capitalism is defined by decisions being made by the owners of capital and factors of production.

[Devout Centrist]

Here's a definition no one here has probably ever seen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_economy

A mixed economy is not socialism. Socialism is not communism. Capitalism is not corporatism.

Look, this is a pretty minor issue. Aspects of the State are funded by all in a system that has similarities to socialism. That does not make the State socialist if it has a publicly funded police force or educational system, to name a couple of examples. Socialism is the State controlling the means of production. Capitalism is private individuals controlling the means of production. A mixed economy has elements of both. End of discussion.

But even that's not correct.  Socialism is defined by democratic control of the economy or decision-making powers of industry belonging to workers.  Capitalism is defined by decisions being made by the owners of capital and factors of production.

Not all socialism advocates democratic workplaces, though. All the catch all phrase advocates is the State and the community managing the means of production, which has multiple interpretations. This has lead to different socialist philosophies.

[freedomburns]

In case you missed the two best speeches:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0tVD87cZew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaKju-TrEmU

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

But then again, sometimes any random person off the street can become a professor and still not fully grasp what they have studied.

Nice edit. Unlike you, though, I have actually studied

I talk circles around people like you on a regular basis, including a political science professor who worked for Lawton Chiles. I've written a novel, run for office, served on two appointed committees (state and local) and I've helping to advise two political campaigns. Thanks for playing.

Whats your name? What races have you ran? If you have these credentials, put up or shut up.

[Oak Hills]

Here's a definition no one here has probably ever seen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_economy

A mixed economy is not socialism. Socialism is not communism. Capitalism is not corporatism.

Look, this is a pretty minor issue. Aspects of the State are funded by all in a system that has similarities to socialism. That does not make the State socialist if it has a publicly funded police force or educational system, to name a couple of examples. Socialism is the State controlling the means of production. Capitalism is private individuals controlling the means of production. A mixed economy has elements of both. End of discussion.

But even that's not correct.  Socialism is defined by democratic control of the economy or decision-making powers of industry belonging to workers.  Capitalism is defined by decisions being made by the owners of capital and factors of production.

Not all socialism advocates democratic workplaces, though. All the catch all phrase advocates is the State and the community managing the means of production, which has multiple interpretations. This has lead to different socialist philosophies.

All socialists have claimed to support democratic workplaces, however. Even the Soviet Communists claimed that the state of affairs they created was not their end goal.

[ag]

Here's a definition no one here has probably ever seen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_economy

A mixed economy is not socialism. Socialism is not communism. Capitalism is not corporatism.

Look, this is a pretty minor issue. Aspects of the State are funded by all in a system that has similarities to socialism. That does not make the State socialist if it has a publicly funded police force or educational system, to name a couple of examples. Socialism is the State controlling the means of production. Capitalism is private individuals controlling the means of production. A mixed economy has elements of both. End of discussion.

But even that's not correct.  Socialism is defined by democratic control of the economy or decision-making powers of industry belonging to workers.  Capitalism is defined by decisions being made by the owners of capital and factors of production.

Not all socialism advocates democratic workplaces, though. All the catch all phrase advocates is the State and the community managing the means of production, which has multiple interpretations. This has lead to different socialist philosophies.

All socialists have claimed to support democratic workplaces, however. Even the Soviet Communists claimed that the state of affairs they created was not their end goal.

But they never claimed they wanted more democracy They had the REAL democracy. It was called democratic centralism: the Party represented the workers and the workers voluntarily supported decisions made in their interest by the central organs of the party It was just that, under socialism, it was still impossible to satisfy all the needs, as would be the case under communism. Though, as an old wisecrack went, under communism the signs in the store would notify consumers that today there is no need in butter.

Anyway, it is all entirely irrelevant for the discussion at hand

[ag]

In any case, just want to be clear. Sanders, in the end, did the honorable thing, and I commend him for it. Most of his supporters - those who, actually, belong in the party - will behave likewise.

Those who do not - well, the party (and Clinton candidacy) will be better without them. Like any insurgent movement, that of Sanders attracted many a strange type. Quite a few of them are no Democrats in any sense of the word. Trying to hold on to them is fool's gold: doing so would repell more people than it would attract.

Now that the first day is over, time to concentrate on the real business of the convention.

[Dr. Arch]

In any case, just want to be clear. Sanders, in the end, did the honorable thing, and I commend him for it. Most of his supporters - those who, actually, belong in the party - will behave likewise.

Those who do not - well, the party (and Clinton candidacy) will be better without them. Like any insurgent movement, that of Sanders attracted many a strange type. Quite a few of them are no Democrats in any sense of the word. Trying to hold on to them is fool's gold: doing so would repell more people than it would attract.

Now that the first day is over, time to concentrate on the real business of the convention.

Couldn't agree more.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

If the superdelegates were sane, they'd vote unanimously for Hillary tomorrow. But no, at least 48 of them will vote for Bernie. I guess it's okay as long as they don't give Bernie the nomination.

[Blue3]

Who are the primetime speakers tomorrow?

[Gass3268]

Who are the primetime speakers tomorrow?

Bill is the only confirmed headliner so far.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

At some point they're having various "mothers of the (BLM) movement" speak. One of them is Trayvon Martin's mother.

[Gass3268]

At some point they're having various "mothers of the (BLM) movement" speak. One of them is Trayvon Martin's mother.

My guess is they will be around the same time as the labor leaders were today.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Watching Bernie's speech now. Hope things don't go too bad.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Well, that didn't go too bad. Very good speech from Bernie, and even if some booed Hillary, they were consistently overshadowed by the cheers. That's a bit reassuring.

[Gustaf]

DrScholl is really a terrible poster. What an embarrassing display.

But Bernie held a good speech even if it was lame how he just repeated his endorsement speech.

[The Other Castro]

Should we be watching CNN or something over CSPAN to get a more accurate read on how this is all being spun?

[Gass3268]

Andrew Cuomo introducing Bernie Sanders to the New York delegation breakfast:



Cuomo praised Sanders on his housing record, the $15 minimum wage, paid family leave, and gay marriage. Interesting combination there to say the least.