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« on: June 18, 2020, 09:52:43 AM »

New England seems to be a region where the GOP can improve greatly in the decades to come. Will Massachusetts ever trend strongly to GOP in the future? Not necessarily win, but can reduce DEM margins to 55%D-45%R?
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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2020, 01:06:49 PM »

Maybe, but it would probably be the last state in New England to do so. It's younger, more urban and more diverse than Vermont, New Hampshire or Maine. If Republicans start to make inroads with those groups, the state could become more competitive down the road.

It really is one of the great anomalies of American politics that Republicans have held the governorship for 22 of the last 30 years while Democrats have legislative supermajorities and a near lock on the entire congressional delegation. Even he's a "RINO", maybe the MAGOP should take some hints from Charlie rather than sucking up to the orange idiot.
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2020, 06:57:51 PM »

Maybe, but it would probably be the last state in New England to do so. It's younger, more urban and more diverse than Vermont, New Hampshire or Maine. If Republicans start to make inroads with those groups, the state could become more competitive down the road.

It really is one of the great anomalies of American politics that Republicans have held the governorship for 22 of the last 30 years while Democrats have legislative supermajorities and a near lock on the entire congressional delegation. Even he's a "RINO", maybe the MAGOP should take some hints from Charlie rather than sucking up to the orange idiot.
A lot of Gop's in general would be smart to take a page out of the Rockefeller Republican book and just run according to the politics of their states until a realignment occurs. The problem is guys like Baker come in and try to get their state GOP on board and end up having to fight with them and get all their backed candidates losing party leadership positions. It just shows the issues with the GOP and its inflexibility as well as the nationalization of even local politics which has been so destructive to American politics.

The Connecticut GOP is a good example of a GOP that has actually adapted although even they suffer from an outsized ideological group that keeps torpedoing electable candidates in primaries for rich buffoons that throw away winnable races.
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2020, 10:33:59 PM »

Maybe, but it would probably be the last state in New England to do so. It's younger, more urban and more diverse than Vermont, New Hampshire or Maine. If Republicans start to make inroads with those groups, the state could become more competitive down the road.

It really is one of the great anomalies of American politics that Republicans have held the governorship for 22 of the last 30 years while Democrats have legislative supermajorities and a near lock on the entire congressional delegation. Even he's a "RINO", maybe the MAGOP should take some hints from Charlie rather than sucking up to the orange idiot.
Yes, I could hypothetically see a future election where Massachusetts is the only New England state to vote Democrat in an election, due to Boston. Ironically that also happened in the 20th century, but with entirely different coalitions.
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2020, 02:28:22 PM »

Probably not. Along with DC, California, Maryland, and Hawaii, Massachusetts is one of the core states for the Democratic Party. Assuming that white Catholics continue their strong trend towards the Republicans, the margin of victory that the Democrats receive in Massachusetts could decrease to around 55% as opposed to the usual 60-65%, however.
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2020, 02:45:35 AM »

It almost certainly will, but not nearly enough to make it competitive (unlike RI, for example)
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2020, 07:34:33 PM »

No chance. The New York-Connecticut border and to its north and east is a white liberal haven where everyone acts like they went to Yale or actually did.

Until a realignment happens where college educated millennial white women are not liberal, an R trend will cease to exist because that's by and large the main demographic here.
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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2020, 12:11:00 PM »

It almost certainly will, but not nearly enough to make it competitive (unlike RI, for example)
I think that Rhode Island will elect a Republican to the House of Representatives and maybe the Senate in 2030 and will vote Republican for President in 2032 and 2036 assuming that white Catholics and white working class voters continue their trend towards the Republicans.
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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2020, 01:14:31 PM »

Maybe, but it would probably be the last state in New England to do so. It's younger, more urban and more diverse than Vermont, New Hampshire or Maine. If Republicans start to make inroads with those groups, the state could become more competitive down the road.

It really is one of the great anomalies of American politics that Republicans have held the governorship for 22 of the last 30 years while Democrats have legislative supermajorities and a near lock on the entire congressional delegation. Even he's a "RINO", maybe the MAGOP should take some hints from Charlie rather than sucking up to the orange idiot.
A lot of Gop's in general would be smart to take a page out of the Rockefeller Republican book and just run according to the politics of their states until a realignment occurs. The problem is guys like Baker come in and try to get their state GOP on board and end up having to fight with them and get all their backed candidates losing party leadership positions. It just shows the issues with the GOP and its inflexibility as well as the nationalization of even local politics which has been so destructive to American politics.

The Connecticut GOP is a good example of a GOP that has actually adapted although even they suffer from an outsized ideological group that keeps torpedoing electable candidates in primaries for rich buffoons that throw away winnable races.


The CT GOP is incompetent and is run by Trump sycophants that can't fundraise for s**t and can't recruit candidates
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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2020, 07:10:57 AM »

Of course it will. It's inevitable. Democrats are so maxed out in the state that there's really no direction to go but to the right.

Not nearly enough to be competitive, though. Just less intensely D.
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