Woke American Ideas are a Threat, French leaders say

[Estrella]

I'm not saying that "woke American ideas" would be a solution, but France somehow manages to be even worse at handling its societal divisions than America. The US has the American dream - something which is and has always been completely disconnected from reality, but at least it gives people hope. What does France have? Laïcité for thee but not for me, an extremely centralist state and an elitist political and cultural class that refuses to acknowledge that discrimination exists. No wonder that France has a massive radicalization problem. If you create a class of people that are consistently discriminated against and yelled at every day from all sides about how they don't belong there and how it's impossible for them to ever integrate, well of course they're gonna get angry and some of them will turn into extremists.

It's an excellent example of magical thinking, really. It's as if waving a wand and punishing people for speaking Occitan (as it was in the past) or wearing a hijab (as it is now) will suddenly turn a deeply fractured country into France une et indivisible.

Honestly, after seeing a magazine publish an article where some old white guy fantasized about selling a black politician into slavery, I've been convinced that American SJWism can't be worse than whatever is happening in France now.

[Estrella]

As for "France shouldn't import identity politics":

What is the draconian yet inconsistent enforcement of laïcité, if not identity politics? Was "défense de cracher et de parler breton" not identity politics because it was done by the majority? Is appealing to people on the basis of their identity bad only when you're appealing to a minority?

Similarly, there's a certain brand of self-proclaimed traditional leftists who bemoan the "identity politics of today's left" and in the same breath suggest appealing to white working class people that allegedly feel like they're losing their identity. What politics is that?

[Estrella]

UK have send as many foreign fighters to Syria as France even through UK have half as many Muslims as France. The main difference between Muslims in UK versus France is that there’s fewer of them and the British establishment care even less about the native population who are forced to live among them than the French establishment does. I couldn’t imagine a single other European country where the police hadn’t dealt with Rotterham grooming gangs, even Sweden the PC capital of Europe the police would have dealt with them, even if they had done so in silence.

So the answer is not that the Muslims of UK are better behaved, but that UK is a worse country than France and with a far worse elite, and as such the awfulness of British Muslims are less obvious than their counterparts in France. 

I wanted to say how I Can't Believe It's Not a Fuzzy Post!™, but this is way past even him. Closer to Klartext, maybe? (remember him?)

[Estrella]

I would indeed define successful integration as you know, "behaving French", adopting French customs, speaking French at home, etc.

Please define.

[Estrella]

France forces migrants to integrate to its culture and customs which is the right approach, you shouldn't  bring in a backwards culture to a liberal western society and expect it to be tolerated.

You know what's "backwards"? Your attitude towards immigration.

Yes people from Muslim countries have a great culture and attitude!

Given what goes on in countries like India and Nepal, such as child marriage, slavery, religious violence, lynchings of dalits, or forcing women on their periods to live in a squalid huts outside of the main home, perhaps we should suppress South Asian cultures in the West as well then

Great Idea! South Asian culture is only slightly less worse than muslim culture.

Genuine question - why do you have a dark red avatar?

Old habits die hard, I guess.

I am proud of my white skin, just as a Chinese is proud of his yellow skin, a Japanese of his brown skin, and the Indians of their various hues from black to coffee-coloured. Anybody who is not proud of his race is not a man at all. And any man who tries to stigmatise the Australian community as racist because they want to preserve this country for the white race is doing our nation great harm... I reject, in conscience, the idea that Australia should or ever can become a multi-racial society and survive.

— Arthur Calwell, leader of Australian Labor Party, 1960-1967

[Estrella]

Thought that was fairly clear tbh?

There’s a growing number of online semi tankies who use “We Charge Genocide” in their pseudo intellectual anti-Americanism to compare Jim Crow to the Holocaust. I wanted to clarify which he meant.

Jim Crow? You'd think there's a much more obvious genocide-like event in American history.