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Thomas Suozzi
 
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Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand
 
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Nita M. Lowey
 
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State Attorney General Andrew Cuomo
 
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Rep. Steve Israel
 
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Rep. Brian Higgins
 
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Rep. Greg Meeks
 
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Rep. Nydia Velasquez
 
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
 
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Caroline Kennedy
 
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« Reply #350 on: January 22, 2009, 02:15:52 PM »

Someone should tell politico that Suozzi is the Nassau County Exec, not Suffolk
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« Reply #351 on: January 22, 2009, 02:18:43 PM »

Someone should tell politico that Suozzi is the Nassau County Exec, not Suffolk

I will, I have Thrush's email
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« Reply #352 on: January 22, 2009, 02:24:50 PM »

Someone should tell politico that Suozzi is the Nassau County Exec, not Suffolk

I will, I have Thrush's email

He fixed it, he says he's an ex-newsday reporter so it was an obv. typo
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« Reply #353 on: January 22, 2009, 02:25:56 PM »

http://www.politickerny.com/1589/buffalos-brown-says-hes-still-senate

[quote]ALBANY—Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown believes he remains a contender for Hillary Clinton's U.S. Senate, despite sitting down with the governor late in the selection process.

Brown met with Paterson the same day Barack Obama was inaugurated.

The mayor said of the meeting that he "definitely [had] the sense that I was being vetted as a candidate. He [Paterson] indicated that I was still under consideration, that he had not reached a firm decision yet, and he expected to do so in the next couple of days. He indicated that he wanted me in the process and that's why he submitted my name and asked that I fill out the questionnaire."

He said Paterson gave no hints about Caroline Kennedy at the time, and of Kennedy, only that he "respected" her decision to step out. Brown wouldn't speculate on his chances at winning the seat or what effect Kennedy's departure had on them.
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« Reply #354 on: January 22, 2009, 02:30:26 PM »

Someone should tell politico that Suozzi is the Nassau County Exec, not Suffolk

He would be a very, very good pick for Lt. Governor though, as a re-read his post.
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« Reply #355 on: January 22, 2009, 03:04:13 PM »

One of the big ‘cons’ that has been have been observed about Rep. Kirsten Gilibrand’s “candidacy” to replace Hillary Clinton is the issue of taking her out of the heavily Republican 20th Congressional district - where there are 125,486 Democrats to 196,118 Republicans and 118,364 blanks.

As Rick points out, Republicans are already positioning themselves to take a run at Gillibrand’s seat, should Gov. Paterson tap her for the Senate.

There’s been concern that if Gillibrand were tapped, the 20th congressional seat would go back to a Republican. The GOP currently holds three Congressional seats in New York - Reps. Peter King of Long Island (3rd district), John McHugh of Northern New York (23rd district), and newly elected Christopher Lee of Western New York (26th district).

And looking forward to 2010, there’s the question of redistricting. New York is expected to lose one Congressional seat  (good news for New York, because based on estimates in previous years, New York could have lost 2 seats). Presuming that Democrats in remain control of both the state Assembly and Senate through the 2010 elections, any seats lost in redistricting would certainly be Republican.

At first glance, losing Gillibrand in the 20th would presumably complicate which seat would be chosen to get the axe, but when you look at the numbers, it appears that if there’s one seat for Democrats to cut, it would be the 20th.

This analysis below gets a little clunky, mainly because I can’t dump this data into a map that would be readable on the blog, but I hope you’ll bear with me:

Looking the voter enrollment numbers surround each of these Republican-held Congressional seats…

3rd District: Rep. Peter King’s district (143,555 Democrats, 194,526 Republicans) borders the 2nd, 4th, 5th and 18th districts, all held by Democrats. But look at the enrollment in the ajoining districts:

2nd: 157,719 Democrats, 133,201 Republicans
4th: 183,244 Democrats, 160,784 Republicans
5th: 181,513 Democrats, 69,387 Republicans
18th: 201,595 Democrats, 120,699 Republicans
In short: You would have to shift the the 50,000+ Republican surplus to ajoining districts. Now that might be fine in the 5th or 18th, but the 2nd and 4th have narrower Democratic advantages. Also, remember that though demographics are shifting, seven of the nice state senators on Long Island are Republicans.

23rd District: Rep. John McHugh’s district (123,299 Democrats, 174,221 Republicans), borders with the 20th, 21st, 24th, 25th, which are all held by Democrats. But with the exception of the 21st (currently held by newly elected Rep. Paul Tonko), those other districts were held by Republicans as recently as 2006, when the Democratic tide ushered in a number of Democrats into traditionally Republican districts.

20th: 125,486 Democrats, 196,118 Republicans. Democrat Gillibrand won seat in 2006.
21st: 184,198 Democrats, 121,205 Republicans
24th: 134,929 Democrats, 163,012 Republicans. Democrat Michael Arcuri won seat in 2006.
25th: 149,074 Democrats, 153,171 Republicans. Democrat Dan Maffei won seat in 2008.
In short: Three Democrats hold seats in ajoining districts with a GOP enrollment advantage. Meanwhile, to get rid of the seat, Democrats would have to shift a 50,000+ GOP surplus to ajoining districts. If Democrats aren’t able to turn around the slumping economy, the pendulum could swing back in favor of the GOP, and those Democrats would be none-too-please to see additional Republicans moved into their already red districts. If you moved all that GOP surplus into Tonko’s seat (which you probably couldn’t do anyway given population/ geographic considerations), you’d get a seat that would be split Dem-GOP enrollment.

26th District: Rep. Christopher Lee’s district (145,230 Democrats, 178,027 Republicans) is ajoined by the 25th, 27th, 28th, and 29th districts.

25th: 149,074 Democrats, 153,171 Republicans. Democrat Dan Maffei won seat in 2008.
27th: 206,258 Democrats, 117,868 Republicans.
28th: 219,823 Democrats, 90,763 Republicans.
29th: 130,091 Democrats, 180,941 Republicans. Democrat Eric Massa won the seat in 2008.
In short:The 27th and 28th districts could absorb the 30,000+ GOP surplus, but given the fact that each Congressional district must have roughly the same population, and they are the Westernmost districts (thus with nowhere to go in terms of rejiggering populations), removing this district would be very tough. In addition, Lee was locked in a heated campaign against Alice Kryzan, but ultimately won with 55.4% of the vote, to her 40.1%. It wouldn’t take too much rejiggering to redistrict the seat in favor of Democrats, pulling Democratic voters from the heavily Democratic 28th and 29th districts.

20th District: Gillibrand’s district (125,486 Democrats, 196,118 Republicans) has the largest GOP advantages in the state and was gerrymandered to be that way. Just take a look at the district, which twists and winds from the Hudson Valley all the way up to Lake Placid. The district is bordered by the 19th, 21st, 22nd, 23rd, and 24th districts.

19th: 153,634 Democrats, 155,577 Republicans. Democrat John Hall won the seat in 2006.
21st: 184,198 Democrats, 121,205 Republicans. Held by Democrat Paul Tonko.
22nd: 170,367 Democrats, 133,200 Republicans. Held by Democrat Mauric Hinchey.
23rd: 123,299 Democrats, 174,221 Republicans. Held by Republican John McHugh.
24th: 134,929 Democrats, 163,012 Republicans. Democrat Michael Arcuri won seat in 2006.

In short: There’s a 70,000+ GOP surplus that would need to be absorbed by adjacent districts, but there are a number of disticts that could take a few - the already heavily Republican 23rd, and the heavily Democratic 21st and 22nd.

http://blogs.timesunion.com/capitol/archives/10824/gillibrand-redistricting-con-may-not-be-an-issue
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« Reply #356 on: January 22, 2009, 03:08:24 PM »

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2009/01/the_new_frontru.php

Now that Caroline Kennedy has dropped out, the new frontrunner for Hillary Clinton's senate seat is upstate congresswoman Kirsten Gillibrand, a Democratic hero for capturing a Republican-majority district in 2006. Camera crews are now posted outside her home in Hudson, New York, and she is reportedly telling Washington colleagues that she believes she will be tapped by Governor David Paterson

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« Reply #357 on: January 22, 2009, 03:18:17 PM »

The Poughkeepsie Journal is reporting that Gov. David Paterson will be the keynote speaker at an economic summit on Monday hosted by Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand.

The summit is being held at Hyde Park in the Hudson Valley. According to Gillibrand's office, the topics will include energy and the agribusiness sectors.

Yet another sign that she's on his radar screen. And an awkward moment in the making if she's NOT the pick...

http://northcountrypublicradio.org/blogs/ballotbox/2009/01/more-gillibrand-tea-leaves.html
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« Reply #358 on: January 22, 2009, 03:19:51 PM »

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2009/01/the_new_frontru.php

Now that Caroline Kennedy has dropped out, the new frontrunner for Hillary Clinton's senate seat is upstate congresswoman Kirsten Gillibrand, a Democratic hero for capturing a Republican-majority district in 2006. Camera crews are now posted outside her home in Hudson, New York, and she is reportedly telling Washington colleagues that she believes she will be tapped by Governor David Paterson



If this is the case, Democrats will have an early special election loss. 
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« Reply #359 on: January 22, 2009, 03:22:40 PM »

see above on this page where the Dems would have possibly had to cut the 20th anyways
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« Reply #360 on: January 22, 2009, 03:23:41 PM »

see above on this page where the Dems would have possibly had to cut the 20th anyways

I had read that. 
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« Reply #361 on: January 22, 2009, 03:24:33 PM »

see above on this page where the Dems would have possibly had to cut the 20th anyways

I had read that.  It looks like there reasoning is that the Republican that wins the special election wont have much time there as the district is eliminated in 2011. 
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« Reply #362 on: January 22, 2009, 03:26:11 PM »

see above on this page where the Dems would have possibly had to cut the 20th anyways

I had read that.  It looks like there reasoning is that the Republican that wins the special election wont have much time there as the district is eliminated in 2011. 

and more importantly that cutting other districts endangers Democrats
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« Reply #363 on: January 22, 2009, 03:27:02 PM »

The pick should occur tomorrow due to the Sabbath I hear.

Yeah, I already posted that:


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« Reply #364 on: January 22, 2009, 03:28:58 PM »

oops, my bad.

also:
"Gov. David Paterson will be the keynote speaker the U.S. Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand's summit on Monday."

would be major awk if Kirsten's not the one

http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200990122012
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« Reply #365 on: January 22, 2009, 03:30:40 PM »

Lunar,  one thing to keep in mind about the 2nd & 4th districts, is while the Dems advantage in enrollment might not seem that large they are districts which traditionally have many more cross-over Republicans than cross-over Democrats and areas which Independents break fairly strongly Democrat.   Now they aren't nearly as strong as some of the others, but both have entrenched incumbents which don't seem to be going anywhere anytime soon (unless Israel gets the nod) and in districts where the Dem bench is much deeper than the GOP bench.  Keep in mind that the State Senate advantage the GOP has on LI, is largely due to long term incumbents.  Also keep in mind and shifting within the 3rd & 4th would also likely include heavily Dem areas of the 5th in NW Nassau, or portions of the 6th in Queens.  Re-disticting could shift King's district further west along the north shore into Ackerman's heavily Dem district, pushing it further into Queens.  Or it would push King's district further west in southern & central Nassau into McCarthy's district, which would in turn push McCarthy's district further north in Ackerman's heavily Dem NW Nassau, or push McCarthy further west into Queens and Meek's heavily Dem district.
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« Reply #366 on: January 22, 2009, 03:31:47 PM »

I would obviously support Gillibrand over my sack of crap Congressman if she is indeed the pick, but Suozzi, Cuomo, Maloney and Israel would all be better picks for the state.
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« Reply #367 on: January 22, 2009, 03:33:08 PM »

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/nyregion/23caroline.html?hp
"Housekeeper and Taxes Are Said to Derail Kennedy’s Bid"
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« Reply #368 on: January 22, 2009, 04:07:03 PM »

yay I got a watered down version of my story pushed into the news!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0109/Hint_Paterson_and_Gillibrand_together_on_Monday_.html
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« Reply #369 on: January 22, 2009, 04:40:05 PM »


Apparently it had been scheduled far in advance of recent developments. I don't think this part of the story is very pertinent at all.
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« Reply #370 on: January 22, 2009, 05:12:20 PM »

He was scheduled as the lead speaker a long time ago?  Link??

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2009/01/the-new-front-runner.html

All signs are pointing to Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand as next U.S. senator to replace Hillary Clinton.
"We have not heard from the governor," Gillibrand spokeswoman Rachel McEneny said.
A number of Democrats, though, say they are convinced it is the upstate Democrat.
Paterson has pushed her name in recent weeks. She also fits his criteria for a woman and someone from upstate with finance experience.

The governor is expected to make the announcement tomorrow in Albany.
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« Reply #371 on: January 22, 2009, 05:27:41 PM »

Intrade is still unusually bullish on Cuomo:

Gillibrand 50.0
Cuomo 40.0
Maloney 7.0

So, if anyone wants to make a quick buck, there's an opportunity for you.

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« Reply #372 on: January 22, 2009, 06:05:04 PM »

Will try to find a link, but just saw on CBS 2 that rep Carolyn McCarthy NY-4 will primary Gillibrand in 2010 if she gets the nod.
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« Reply #373 on: January 22, 2009, 06:06:08 PM »

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/22/congresswomen-could-be-in-senate-showdown/?apage=1

there's the link.

ALBANY — Representative Carolyn McCarthy of Long Island, a staunch supporter of gun-control laws, said in an interview Thursday that she would challenge a fellow Democrat, Representative Kirsten E. Gillibrand, if Gov. David A. Paterson names Ms. Gillibrand to the Senate.

With Caroline Kennedy having withdrawn from consideration as a possible successor to Hillary Rodham Clinton, the governor is said to be leaning toward selecting Ms. Gillibrand, a congresswoman from the Albany area. But her support of the National Rifle Association and co-sponsorship of bills like H.R. 4900 have outraged Ms. McCarthy, who was elected to Congress after her husband was killed by a deranged gunman in a 1993 massacre on the Long Island Rail Road.

“Obviously, I’m very upset,” Ms. McCarthy said. “I came to Congress to reduce gun violence in this country, and Mayor Bloomberg has been working diligently to get mayors across this country to help reduce gun violence.”

“To have a senator representing the N.R.A. for New York, that would be wrong,” she added. “If it comes down to that, I will primary in 2010.”

She said that, alternatively, she would support a younger candidate if one were to come forward.

“I’m 65,” she said, “but if no one else will go forward with it, then I will do it.”

Ms. Gillibrand’s centrist views helped her win her House seat, which was long held by Republicans. Her district stretches from Adirondacks to the Catskills and parts of the Hudson Valley.

Ms. Gillibrand’s office had no comment.
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« Reply #374 on: January 22, 2009, 06:27:59 PM »

Last paragraph of this article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/22/nyregion/22caroline.html?scp=2&sq=gillibrand&st=cse

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