Capital Freedom Act (Debating)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Nay

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Aye

Nay

Do you support the bill, or do you just don't like to see it tabled?

For now, the latter. I do need to research what the Labor Rights Act of 2012 is. As much as I would love to go back to 2012, I don't remember every bill that hit the floor that year.

Though I did joke once that if I were in congress for both votes, I would probably be the only one to vote for both the Wagner Act and Taft-Hartley. I would note that unions did rather well in the next two to three decades and would argue that the biggest thing that damaged them was outsourcing and shifts in the economy after that period, not Taft-Hartley per se.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Labor_Rights_Act_of_2012

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https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=165622.75

I oppose card check so I would prefer this be amended out as opposed to a full repeal. I was the only one to vote for Nappy's redraft. Also this was the last time for like a year and a half, that BK had to be wheeled in to fix a problem with the rules.

I also had to manage this debate post January 12th on my mothers computer since mine had quit. LOL now I have to use the neighbors computer, someone wants me out of my comfort zone to access this place.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This no longer has the votes to be tabled by my count.

As TNF's giving a vote change period was weird. It was timed exactly to correspond with the end of the vote so no harm done. Tabling is a two day vote, if 2/3rds of all those who voted abstentions excluded voted Aye at the end, it is tabled.

Nappy was the one who set the vote standard like.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I guess I will too motion for a final vote, to get this crap dealt with one and for all.

I'd still like to know from Senators NCYankee and Lumine if they voted just against the tabling of this bill or if they actually support it? I suppose I know the answer from Senators Cassius and Deus...

See previous page.

I want to scale back the 2012 Labor rights act to Napoleon redraft version.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It repeals card-check.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You mean if I sent you Nappy's Labor Rights Act redraft, you would veto it?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It repeals card-check.

While still keeping other aspects in place? The original idea was to scrap the whole Labor Rights Act of 2012.

If it will get something passed that improves the situation, then yes.

Card check is undemocratic and unnecessary I think with all the protections that were passed under Duke and so forth.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Was there another amendment before mine?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Recognizing unions via card check is fair and democratic, despite Senator Yankee's accusations to the contrary. Going back to the old way of election-based recognition only means weakening our labor movement and making it substantively harder for workers to form unions.

Card check is a weak system and arguably rather unnecessary considering all the recent protections that have been added. It is not a fair system and is subject to intimidation in the absence of a secret ballot, a secret ballot, which should be the most preferably route to take in all circumstances. And especially here where I would think the motivations for abandoning are no longer present as far as I can tell.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I ask once again, why is a weak system like card check preferable to a secret ballot with all the other protections now in place?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So a secret ballot is a worthy sacrifice for a barely noticebable difference (considering the other protections) in terms of union formation. I love that the end cannot be acceptable unless the preferred means are used as well.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I also love the absence of debate in context on the point I raised that goes beyond one line from a single Senator.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

After consideration, NAY. I oppose JCL's amendment, mostly on the grounds TNF outlined.

After consideration, NAY. I oppose JCL's amendment, mostly on the grounds TNF outlined.

How will allowing union authorization methods other than card check weaken Atlasian labor? What makes card check a universally optimal authorization process?

This amendment wouldn't ban card check, it would simply allow other methods to be used.

That's not my reading of the amendment, at all.

All Section 2 does is enforce Card Checks as equivalent to a vote; additional methods are only prohibited if a majority already exists.

I crafted that in a rather hurried fashion, but it was similar to the redraft presented by then President Napoleon at the time on the grounds that the final text had gone too far. I would have been willing to discuss alternatives to section 2.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I don't suppose I can get away with a split vote, so I guess Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

A wasted opportunity unfortunately.