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Crumpets
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« on: April 06, 2017, 10:01:00 PM »

Any Dem 2020 potential candidate should be disqualified if they support this.

I'm very interested to hear what Tulsi's response will be.
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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2017, 10:18:32 PM »

If we in any tangible way diminished the ability of the Syrian military to use chemical weapons against their citizens, then I support tonight's strike. But that doesn't mean there aren't reasons to have grave concerns about what this means for the United States going forward. What do we do next time Assad commits an atrocity? How many times can we dip a toe into this conflict before we get sucked all the way in? Do we have a plan going forward? You can support this strike in principle and still have serious reservations about the implications.

I agree with this. I'm trying to withhold judgement until the dust settles both literally and figuratively and we can find out 1) if we actually achieved any military goals and 2) whether this "warning shot" so-to-speak effectively hampered Assad's enthusiasm to use chemical weapons.

The wild card is Russia, and whether this changes their stances of "Assad must be defended pretty much regardless," and "meh, Trump's okay compared to these other guys." This is the first time those two mindsets have been at conflict with one another.
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2017, 10:31:05 PM »

I don't really have a formed opinion on this yet. I certainly understand the arguments against doing this and am very troubled by the loss of life this can cause. My question though is, should there be an international ban on chemical warfare? If so, how else would it be enforced in cases like this other than a strike?

I ask that honestly because I am genuinely interested.

There is an international Chemical Weapons Convention which entered into force in 1997 and has been ratified by every country except Egypt, Israel, South Sudan, Palestine, and North Korea. (FTR, Israel has signed the treaty). Syria has both signed and ratified the convention.

The treaty is "administered" by the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which can be thought of as a chemical weapons equivalent of the IAEA.

Syria is further legally compelled to eliminate its chemical stockpile by UNSC Resolution 2118, which all members of the UNSC voted for. This was supposed to be the "no-strike" option, and appeared to work for a while. The fact that it didn't work is pretty much what left us with the option of "missile strike or ignore."

Theoretically, if we wanted to "enforce" these resolutions, it would come down to the UNSC passing a resolution similar to UNSC Resolution 1973, which paved the way for NATO intervention in Libya. However, Russia would be extremely opposed to such a resolution, leading to the question of "at what point do we just ignore Russia and go in to save people's lives?"

If Russia were on board with foreign intervention, but we didn't want a missile strike, the only course of action left would be some sort of UN-administration of all Syrian missile sites, seeing as Russian oversight of weapons dismantlement evidently didn't work - fat chance of that happening
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2017, 12:55:44 AM »

Sounding dangerously liberal are we?

Oh, I wish the Democrats had a better foreign policy. In any case, there is nothing "liberal" about being isolationist. But you're probably right, its time for an avatar change.

-high five-

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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2017, 01:09:35 AM »

This just popped up on RT:

Putin believes US attack on Syria violates international law

President Putin “regards the strikes as aggression against a sovereign nation,” his spokesman Dmitry Peskov said, noting that the president believes the strikes were carried out “in violation of international law, and also under an invented pretext.”
Peskov also insisted that “the Syrian army doesn’t have chemical weapons,” saying this had been “observed and confirmed by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, a special UN unit.”


https://www.rt.com/news/383815-putin-us-syria-aggression/
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2017, 11:48:50 AM »


So we just wasted $100,000,000 and stuck our forks where they didn't belong on theatrics. Great.

"What ever happened to the element of surprise?!?!"
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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2017, 12:41:17 PM »




Sen. Lindsey Graham says he supports putting 5,000-7,000 American troops in the ground in Syria to help take down Assad.
https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/850380623709655041


Ughhhh please no

Don't worry. I'm sure we'll be greeted as liberators!
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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2017, 01:19:45 PM »


Could you imagine the "failed leadership" tp that would be hammered over an over again if this was a dem?

They didn't go after the runway; a Tomahawk isn't much good for that - they went after the Hardened Aircraft Shelters. Those are probably badly damaged and whatever was in them wrecked.

Fortunatly for Assad, everything that was in them was moved away a few hours before the strikes... somehow.
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