a question on libertarianism

[Colin]

I certainly believe it is its own philosophy many just equate it with conservatism because of their same roots in the backlash against New Deal programs and the "Dime Store New Deal" of Eisenhower. However they are different ideologies with different ideals and ideas as well as different political philosophers that they owe their allegiance.

There are many types of libertarians and its hard ot classify the group since it is a catch-all that goes from people who are moderates and have a pragmatic agenda to people who fall also into the anarchist model of political philosophy. But then broad terms like these also apply to words like liberal, conservative and populist. Hitler can be described as a Populist and so can Sherrod Brown and Trent Lott. Just as Socialism and Anarcho-Syndicalism is leftism, which in America is improperly called liberalism, taken to the extreme the same is true with anarcho-capitalism and libertarianism.

[Colin]

the military-industrial complex

I really really hate that phrase. It's just annoying and it grates against my ears. If it was up to be I'd go back in time and beat the sh**t out of Eisenhower for using that goddamn awful ass phrase.

Just my two cents worth here.

Anarcho-capitalism is neo-feudal bull from my own libertarian stand point.

There isn't a cat in hells chance I would ever support the free market regulating and controling systems of justice, governance and law. Those are the core duties of the state. And yes the state has a place in society. It should be slim and accountable but it should not be replaced by unnacountable profit seeking conglomerations.

That is of course, offered absolutely proof-free.

Well he said it was his own opinion. You don't need proof for an opinion. If I am of the opinion that jfern beats his girlfriend than that's just my opinion and needs no actual proof to back it up.

[Colin]

Celtic Ireland 650-1650

And that was such a soaraway success....

Yeah and don't give me the other examples either.

Somalia: We've seen how that's turned out about to become another Taliban state and before that was a land of warlords and constant warfare.

Iceland (900-1250): This was during the time of when the Althing ruled Iceland. If you want to know why this isn't a wonderful place to live I suggest you read the Icelandic sagas, blood fueds, clan warfare, constant retribution, it all became so bad that the people begged to be placed under the absolutist rule of the Norwegians in order to keep the peace.

[Colin]

Just my two cents worth here.

Anarcho-capitalism is neo-feudal bull from my own libertarian stand point.

There isn't a cat in hells chance I would ever support the free market regulating and controling systems of justice, governance and law. Those are the core duties of the state. And yes the state has a place in society. It should be slim and accountable but it should not be replaced by unnacountable profit seeking conglomerations.

What also annoys me is the concept of property. Not all property and landrights are or should be owned by individuals. They can be as wasteful and as greedy as the state. You simply cannot portion all lands and divvy them up for private ownership. The state should own and manage for the people protected lands and water sources which can be ran by private organisations yes, but should never be owned by them as private individuals and companies operate out of pure self interest.

A smaller and more accountable state that adheres to it's core functions can be empowered by the people through the democratic process to manage certain estates that are too valuable to the well being of society and the individual.

And I agree with snowguy; Bono you have contributed little to this conversation but childish insults.

I have to completely agree.