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« Reply #2275 on: January 18, 2012, 01:42:42 PM »
     Your second idea is what I went with initially, though that was more a placeholder than anything else. Though, TBH, the people really got soaked by last year's numbers. I don't see anything wrong with returning the remainder.
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« Reply #2276 on: January 19, 2012, 12:51:00 AM »
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« Reply #2277 on: January 19, 2012, 07:51:33 AM »
Well, aye.
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« Reply #2278 on: January 19, 2012, 11:07:42 PM »
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« Reply #2279 on: January 20, 2012, 09:37:16 AM »
It passes unanimously, and is now up for the Emperor's signing.
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« Reply #2280 on: January 21, 2012, 12:15:48 PM »
« Edited: January 22, 2012, 05:47:36 PM by Yelnoc »
Let us begin debate on this bill.

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« Reply #2281 on: January 22, 2012, 06:47:06 AM »
I don't think that any amendments should be added.
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« Reply #2282 on: January 22, 2012, 01:50:28 PM »


     On the Redistribute 2011 Surplus Act: by the powers vested in me as Emperor of this region, I thus sign it into law.

     Be it resolved, X Emperor PiT
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« Reply #2283 on: January 22, 2012, 01:53:40 PM »
     I don't think there is anything in particular that that should amend. Article II, Section 3 allows this change to be made by statute.
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« Reply #2284 on: January 22, 2012, 02:25:11 PM »
Very well then.  Does anybody else spot any holes in it?
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« Reply #2285 on: January 22, 2012, 03:00:49 PM »
Is the Viceroy second in succession or first?... might need to switch wording there
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« Reply #2286 on: January 22, 2012, 04:35:50 PM »
     Why not retain the Viceroy as a Legislator who just happens to also be a backup Emperor (as selected by the Emperor)? I think it would be interesting for the Emperor to have complete control over who his second-in-line is.
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« Reply #2287 on: January 22, 2012, 05:49:29 PM »
Quote from: clarence on January 22, 2012, 03:00:49 PM
Is the Viceroy second in succession or first?... might need to switch wording there
First.  Fixed that.

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     Why not retain the Viceroy as a Legislator who just happens to also be a backup Emperor (as selected by the Emperor)? I think it would be interesting for the Emperor to have complete control over who his second-in-line is.
I would prefer the body be composed entirely of elected officials.  The Emperor already appoints members when there is a vacancy, which is more often than not. 
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« Reply #2288 on: January 23, 2012, 04:25:57 AM »
     I didn't think of making the Viceroy be completely unelected, though that is an interesting prospect.
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« Reply #2289 on: January 23, 2012, 06:33:32 PM »
« Edited: January 23, 2012, 06:39:19 PM by Yelnoc »
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    I didn't think of making the Viceroy be completely unelected, though that is an interesting prospect.
Well then, what did you mean?  Are you saying that the Emperor would be required to choose one of any of the elected five legislators to be his successor?  I would find that a little more agreeable, though if that is the case we ought to insert a clause indicating that the Speaker should succeed in cases where no clear delegation of succession has been made.

EDIT:  It might be a good idea to put in place a transitional clause, so that the two members are elected in a special election.  What would you guys think about those two members being in official "class B" seats that are elected with the Governor?
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« Reply #2290 on: January 23, 2012, 06:53:37 PM »
I do not believe the Emperor can hand pick a successor... I turst and like PiT but that can be open for abuse

I am fine with the Speaker being the successor
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« Reply #2291 on: January 23, 2012, 08:55:33 PM »
How about making the Viceroy picked by the Emperor, but has to be approved by the Legislature?
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« Reply #2292 on: January 23, 2012, 08:59:31 PM »
Quote from: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on January 23, 2012, 08:55:33 PM
How about making the Viceroy picked by the Emperor, but has to be approved by the Legislature?
Seems like unnecessary red tape to me.  And as Clarence points out, making the Emperor strong enough to meddle directly in legislative affairs outside of his veto power could backfire spectacularly under a future Emperor.
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« Reply #2293 on: January 23, 2012, 09:06:55 PM »
How about a wholesale renaming of the speaker as the viceroy Tongue?
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« Reply #2294 on: January 23, 2012, 10:24:20 PM »
     Yelnoc nailed it in his reply to my reply. I like the idea, but I'm not particularly wedded to it anyway.
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« Reply #2295 on: January 23, 2012, 10:30:16 PM »
I'm not opposed to any of these ideas, all of them would work IMO
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« Reply #2296 on: January 23, 2012, 10:41:26 PM »
     Come to think of it, this would require extensive alterations to the Constitution even if we kept Viceroy in a different form. It would be less extensive than what would be required if we got rid of it, though. Undecided
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« Reply #2297 on: January 23, 2012, 11:23:45 PM »
How hard would it be to make the Viceroy the person who wins the most votes out of the Class A Legislators?
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« Reply #2298 on: January 23, 2012, 11:27:57 PM »
Quote from: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on January 23, 2012, 11:23:45 PM
How hard would it be to make the Viceroy the person who wins the most votes out of the Class A Legislators?
Not hard.  Class A being the legislators elected separately?

My concern is that by separating the Viceroy and Speaker, we are adding an unnecessary extra layer.  I prefer a stream-lined bureaucracy.
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« Reply #2299 on: January 24, 2012, 01:34:03 AM »
I agree... the purpose here is to cut the fat and the Viceroy does not have much to do
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