The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature

[Yelnoc]

Aye.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     What happened to this vote? I'll put the amendment on tonight's ballot anyway since this vote isn't strictly needed & it did obtain the two-thirds majority that would be required should the amendment be passed, though it seems like things sort of fell apart here.

[Mr. Taft Republican]

     What happened to this vote? I'll put the amendment on tonight's ballot anyway since this vote isn't strictly needed & it did obtain the two-thirds majority that would be required should the amendment be passed, though it seems like things sort of fell apart here.

Well, I didn't know what to do when not all the Darth's vote.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     What happened to this vote? I'll put the amendment on tonight's ballot anyway since this vote isn't strictly needed & it did obtain the two-thirds majority that would be required should the amendment be passed, though it seems like things sort of fell apart here.

Well, I didn't know what to do when not all the Darth's vote.

     That's alright. The Legislature has been pretty good about attendance lately, so it's not something that has really come up yet in your tenure as Viceroy. For future reference, I'd suggest closing a vote within 24 hours of a bill attaining enough votes to pass or fail, or within 72 hours of the vote opening, whichever comes first. If a bill has enough votes to close early, you should make a post warning the Darths that they have less than 24 hours to change their votes. That's how it's done in the Senate, & I think it's a good system.

[Mr. Taft Republican]

Sorry, was a bit busy. I'd say its been long enough 2-0, bill passes.

[Yelnoc]

I am proposing the following bills on the behalf of Emperor PiT.  The Southern Symbols Omnibus Bill is first in the que and is up for debate.

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[Yelnoc]

I would like to propose the following bill to distinguish bills from initiatives and to provide a comprehensive naming scheme for all bills passed.

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[Dancing with Myself]

I like both bills, the two will have my support

[Associate Justice PiT]

     I suggest reviving this thread for the new bills, since there's several of them now.

     Is it really necessary to have the Legal Naming Conventions, anyway? Initiatives & bills form two largely exclusive blocks of the statute. The only non-amendment to be voted on as a initiative since the Legislature opened its doors was the original version of the Pornography Leniency Bill, which failed anyway.

[Yelnoc]

    I suggest reviving this thread for the new bills, since there's several of them now.

     Is it really necessary to have the Legal Naming Conventions, anyway? Initiatives & bills form two largely exclusive blocks of the statute. The only non-amendment to be voted on as a initiative since the Legislature opened its doors was the original version of the Pornography Leniency Bill, which failed anyway.

I just suggested it because it would make my job in the Budget sorting a lot easier.  I just posted what I was working on so that you can have a better idea.  You can see that I listed out the name of the bill (Put the "free" back in Free Enterprise Bill).  A simple designation would make it cleaner and give me room to add details about the bill onto that line.

Taft, would you mind putting the symbols bill up to vote today, since the majority of the legislature and the Emperor agree with it?

[Associate Justice PiT]

     I suggest reviving this thread for the new bills, since there's several of them now.

     Is it really necessary to have the Legal Naming Conventions, anyway? Initiatives & bills form two largely exclusive blocks of the statute. The only non-amendment to be voted on as a initiative since the Legislature opened its doors was the original version of the Pornography Leniency Bill, which failed anyway.

I just suggested it because it would make my job in the Budget sorting a lot easier.  I just posted what I was working on so that you can have a better idea.  You can see that I listed out the name of the bill (Put the "free" back in Free Enterprise Bill).  A simple designation would make it cleaner and give me room to add details about the bill onto that line.

Taft, would you mind putting the symbols bill up to vote today, since the majority of the legislature and the Emperor agree with it?

     I added that one to the statute yesterday, so it now has a simple designation (256 for the Put the "Free" Back in Free Enterprise Bill). This does make a point that I should hurry up & finish getting the statute up-to-date, but I should easily be able to finish it by the time I go back to school.

[Yelnoc]

     I suggest reviving this thread for the new bills, since there's several of them now.

     Is it really necessary to have the Legal Naming Conventions, anyway? Initiatives & bills form two largely exclusive blocks of the statute. The only non-amendment to be voted on as a initiative since the Legislature opened its doors was the original version of the Pornography Leniency Bill, which failed anyway.

I just suggested it because it would make my job in the Budget sorting a lot easier.  I just posted what I was working on so that you can have a better idea.  You can see that I listed out the name of the bill (Put the "free" back in Free Enterprise Bill).  A simple designation would make it cleaner and give me room to add details about the bill onto that line.

Taft, would you mind putting the symbols bill up to vote today, since the majority of the legislature and the Emperor agree with it?

     I added that one to the statute yesterday, so it now has a simple designation (256 for the Put the "Free" Back in Free Enterprise Bill). This does make a point that I should hurry up & finish getting the statute up-to-date, but I should easily be able to finish it by the time I go back to school.

We know from the Wiki it was the 256 piece of legislation passed but not whether it was a bill or an initiative.  Maybe I'm just being nit picky though.  You're doing a great job with the wiki, by the way.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     I suggest reviving this thread for the new bills, since there's several of them now.

     Is it really necessary to have the Legal Naming Conventions, anyway? Initiatives & bills form two largely exclusive blocks of the statute. The only non-amendment to be voted on as a initiative since the Legislature opened its doors was the original version of the Pornography Leniency Bill, which failed anyway.

I just suggested it because it would make my job in the Budget sorting a lot easier.  I just posted what I was working on so that you can have a better idea.  You can see that I listed out the name of the bill (Put the "free" back in Free Enterprise Bill).  A simple designation would make it cleaner and give me room to add details about the bill onto that line.

Taft, would you mind putting the symbols bill up to vote today, since the majority of the legislature and the Emperor agree with it?

     I added that one to the statute yesterday, so it now has a simple designation (256 for the Put the "Free" Back in Free Enterprise Bill). This does make a point that I should hurry up & finish getting the statute up-to-date, but I should easily be able to finish it by the time I go back to school.

We know from the Wiki it was the 256 piece of legislation passed but not whether it was a bill or an initiative.  Maybe I'm just being nit picky though.  You're doing a great job with the wiki, by the way.

     The problem that arises is that, from October 2008 to February 2010, it was common to refer to initiatives as "acts". If we really want to differentiate between the two, it would probably be better to pass a bill changing all instances of "act" or "bill" in laws not passed by the Legislature to "initiative" & add instances of the word "initiative" if none of those three words exist. I think that would be much easier to bear than adding 250 instances of the letter "I".

[Yelnoc]

     I suggest reviving this thread for the new bills, since there's several of them now.

     Is it really necessary to have the Legal Naming Conventions, anyway? Initiatives & bills form two largely exclusive blocks of the statute. The only non-amendment to be voted on as a initiative since the Legislature opened its doors was the original version of the Pornography Leniency Bill, which failed anyway.

I just suggested it because it would make my job in the Budget sorting a lot easier.  I just posted what I was working on so that you can have a better idea.  You can see that I listed out the name of the bill (Put the "free" back in Free Enterprise Bill).  A simple designation would make it cleaner and give me room to add details about the bill onto that line.

Taft, would you mind putting the symbols bill up to vote today, since the majority of the legislature and the Emperor agree with it?

     I added that one to the statute yesterday, so it now has a simple designation (256 for the Put the "Free" Back in Free Enterprise Bill). This does make a point that I should hurry up & finish getting the statute up-to-date, but I should easily be able to finish it by the time I go back to school.

We know from the Wiki it was the 256 piece of legislation passed but not whether it was a bill or an initiative.  Maybe I'm just being nit picky though.  You're doing a great job with the wiki, by the way.

     The problem that arises is that, from October 2008 to February 2010, it was common to refer to initiatives as "acts". If we really want to differentiate between the two, it would probably be better to pass a bill changing all instances of "act" or "bill" in laws not passed by the Legislature to "initiative" & add instances of the word "initiative" if none of those three words exist. I think that would be much easier to bear than adding 250 instances of the letter "I".

Ok, sounds good.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Also, given that the budget breakdown is not hyper-formal, I think it's alright to use indicators such as B256 on there, to enumerate that the Put the "Free" Back in Free Enterprise Bill was passed as a bill.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Why the Omnibus Symbol Bill?  Most of it just a recodification of the existing laws on Southeastern Symbols.  The concrete changes are the repeal of a seal which we have no picture of and very incomplete description, and the addition of Dixie, deer, and milk as region symbols which was proposed in the failed Southeastern Symbols II Initiative, save that the Southeastern Symbols II Initiative included Coca-Cola as a symbol as well.

Clearly we need a new seal to replace the one that is gone, so repealing the Southeast Symbols III Initiative makes sense, tho I would prefer if a replacement were at least proposed, but trying to incorporate provisions of a initiative that was rejected six years ago under the guise of an "omnibus" bill strikes me as trying to circumvent the expressed will of the people in secrecy.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Yeah, it shouldn't be called "omnibus" in that case. My bad.

[Yelnoc]

Why the Omnibus Symbol Bill?  Most of it just a recodification of the existing laws on Southeastern Symbols.  The concrete changes are the repeal of a seal which we have no picture of and very incomplete description, and the addition of Dixie, deer, and milk as region symbols which was proposed in the failed Southeastern Symbols II Initiative, save that the Southeastern Symbols II Initiative included Coca-Cola as a symbol as well.

Clearly we need a new seal to replace the one that is gone, so repealing the Southeast Symbols III Initiative makes sense, tho I would prefer if a replacement were at least proposed, but trying to incorporate provisions of a initiative that was rejected six years ago under the guise of an "omnibus" bill strikes me as trying to circumvent the expressed will of the people in secrecy.

Which people?

[Dancing with Myself]

I definitely agree with Dixie as the official song

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Why the Omnibus Symbol Bill?  Most of it just a recodification of the existing laws on Southeastern Symbols.  The concrete changes are the repeal of a seal which we have no picture of and very incomplete description, and the addition of Dixie, deer, and milk as region symbols which was proposed in the failed Southeastern Symbols II Initiative, save that the Southeastern Symbols II Initiative included Coca-Cola as a symbol as well.

Clearly we need a new seal to replace the one that is gone, so repealing the Southeast Symbols III Initiative makes sense, tho I would prefer if a replacement were at least proposed, but trying to incorporate provisions of a initiative that was rejected six years ago under the guise of an "omnibus" bill strikes me as trying to circumvent the expressed will of the people in secrecy.

Which people?

The Southeast citizens who six years ago rejected the Southeastern Symbols II Initiative when it was brought to a vote.  While the will of the peons who inhabit what is now the Imperial Dominion of the South may be different, I would prefer that such action be submitted to them for their approval rather than having it creep through the Legislature as if it were something to hide.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Why the Omnibus Symbol Bill?  Most of it just a recodification of the existing laws on Southeastern Symbols.  The concrete changes are the repeal of a seal which we have no picture of and very incomplete description, and the addition of Dixie, deer, and milk as region symbols which was proposed in the failed Southeastern Symbols II Initiative, save that the Southeastern Symbols II Initiative included Coca-Cola as a symbol as well.

Clearly we need a new seal to replace the one that is gone, so repealing the Southeast Symbols III Initiative makes sense, tho I would prefer if a replacement were at least proposed, but trying to incorporate provisions of a initiative that was rejected six years ago under the guise of an "omnibus" bill strikes me as trying to circumvent the expressed will of the people in secrecy.

Which people?

The Southeast citizens who six years ago rejected the Southeastern Symbols II Initiative when it was brought to a vote.  While the will of the peons who inhabit what is now the Imperial Dominion of the South may be different, I would prefer that such action be submitted to them for their approval rather than having it creep through the Legislature as if it were something to hide.

     How does passing this & petitioning for a referendum on the matter sound? Or alternatively, passing the Southeastern Symbols II Initiative, putting it to a referendum, & then if it survives that passing a bill repealing all five symbol bills & replacing them with the original bill here?

[Yelnoc]

Why the Omnibus Symbol Bill?  Most of it just a recodification of the existing laws on Southeastern Symbols.  The concrete changes are the repeal of a seal which we have no picture of and very incomplete description, and the addition of Dixie, deer, and milk as region symbols which was proposed in the failed Southeastern Symbols II Initiative, save that the Southeastern Symbols II Initiative included Coca-Cola as a symbol as well.

Clearly we need a new seal to replace the one that is gone, so repealing the Southeast Symbols III Initiative makes sense, tho I would prefer if a replacement were at least proposed, but trying to incorporate provisions of a initiative that was rejected six years ago under the guise of an "omnibus" bill strikes me as trying to circumvent the expressed will of the people in secrecy.

Which people?

The Southeast citizens who six years ago rejected the Southeastern Symbols II Initiative when it was brought to a vote.  While the will of the peons who inhabit what is now the Imperial Dominion of the South may be different, I would prefer that such action be submitted to them for their approval rather than having it creep through the Legislature as if it were something to hide.

The people elected the legislature, did they not?

[Dancing with Myself]

Why the Omnibus Symbol Bill?  Most of it just a recodification of the existing laws on Southeastern Symbols.  The concrete changes are the repeal of a seal which we have no picture of and very incomplete description, and the addition of Dixie, deer, and milk as region symbols which was proposed in the failed Southeastern Symbols II Initiative, save that the Southeastern Symbols II Initiative included Coca-Cola as a symbol as well.

Clearly we need a new seal to replace the one that is gone, so repealing the Southeast Symbols III Initiative makes sense, tho I would prefer if a replacement were at least proposed, but trying to incorporate provisions of a initiative that was rejected six years ago under the guise of an "omnibus" bill strikes me as trying to circumvent the expressed will of the people in secrecy.

Which people?

The Southeast citizens who six years ago rejected the Southeastern Symbols II Initiative when it was brought to a vote.  While the will of the peons who inhabit what is now the Imperial Dominion of the South may be different, I would prefer that such action be submitted to them for their approval rather than having it creep through the Legislature as if it were something to hide.

Just because you are not in the legislature, doesn't give you the right to tell us what to do

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

The people elected the legislature, did they not?

But did anyone in the legislature campaign on this issue?  I wouldn't mind seeing the South return to the days when we had monthly elections with several referenda on each ballot.

Just because you are not in the legislature, doesn't give you the right to tell us what to do

Au contraire.

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I have every right to tell you what to do.  I just have have no power to make you do it.

[Mr. Taft Republican]

First bill up to bat:

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