SENATE BILL: Living Wage Act (Law'd)

[Napoleon]

I really hope the Senators know what they are voting for. We've already learned that people voted in favor of the Right Wages for the Right Regions Act without understanding the law. The federal minimum wage is already $10.50. The actual minimum wage is $12 in every region. By the time 2015 rolls around,  inflation will have surpassed that.

I love Sbane, but this amendment makes zero sense. I'll have to abdicate sponsorship if it passes.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I really hope the Senators know what they are voting for. We've already learned that people voted in favor of the Right Wages for the Right Regions Act without understanding the law. The federal minimum wage is already $10.50. The actual minimum wage is $12 in every region. By the time 2015 rolls around,  inflation will have surpassed that.

I love Sbane, but this amendment makes zero sense. I'll have to abdicate sponsorship if it passes.

So what you're saying is that the amendment would essentially kill inflation-adjusted increases?

[Napoleon]

I really hope the Senators know what they are voting for. We've already learned that people voted in favor of the Right Wages for the Right Regions Act without understanding the law. The federal minimum wage is already $10.50. The actual minimum wage is $12 in every region. By the time 2015 rolls around,  inflation will have surpassed that.

I love Sbane, but this amendment makes zero sense. I'll have to abdicate sponsorship if it passes.

So what you're saying is that the amendment would essentially kill inflation-adjusted increases?

No, I am saying it makes no sense to increase the minimum wage to 10.50 in July. The minimum wage has been 10.50 for over a year. The minimum wage in every region is at least $12, I think the Northeast its $14 or so. This amendment raises the minimum wage to $12.50 in 2015, but with inflation increases, every region will already be higher than that before then.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

NAY

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I really hope the Senators know what they are voting for. We've already learned that people voted in favor of the Right Wages for the Right Regions Act without understanding the law. The federal minimum wage is already $10.50. The actual minimum wage is $12 in every region. By the time 2015 rolls around,  inflation will have surpassed that.

I love Sbane, but this amendment makes zero sense. I'll have to abdicate sponsorship if it passes.

So what you're saying is that the amendment would essentially kill inflation-adjusted increases?

No, I am saying it makes no sense to increase the minimum wage to 10.50 in July. The minimum wage has been 10.50 for over a year. The minimum wage in every region is at least $12, I think the Northeast its $14 or so. This amendment raises the minimum wage to $12.50 in 2015, but with inflation increases, every region will already be higher than that before then.

Gotcha, thanks for clarifying

[Sopranos Republican]

NAY

[Sbane]

I really hope the Senators know what they are voting for. We've already learned that people voted in favor of the Right Wages for the Right Regions Act without understanding the law. The federal minimum wage is already $10.50. The actual minimum wage is $12 in every region. By the time 2015 rolls around,  inflation will have surpassed that.

I love Sbane, but this amendment makes zero sense. I'll have to abdicate sponsorship if it passes.

I proposed this because you told me in the committee that the current minimum wage is $9 per hour. If that is not the case, then yes it does not make sense. If it is $9 an hour, then imho my amendment is the right rate to raise the minimum wage.

[Sbane]

What is the current minimum wage?

$9.

Has some new information come out about the minimum wage that I seem to have missed?

[Napoleon]

I really hope the Senators know what they are voting for. We've already learned that people voted in favor of the Right Wages for the Right Regions Act without understanding the law. The federal minimum wage is already $10.50. The actual minimum wage is $12 in every region. By the time 2015 rolls around,  inflation will have surpassed that.

I love Sbane, but this amendment makes zero sense. I'll have to abdicate sponsorship if it passes.

I proposed this because you told me in the committee that the current minimum wage is $9 per hour. If that is not the case, then yes it does not make sense. If it is $9 an hour, then imho my amendment is the right rate to raise the minimum wage.

Yeah, I must have slipped up in that case. Sorry about that.

I see what you are trying to do here, is to have the wage increase not be so drastic at once, which is something I tried to do with the original proposal. So I think we are largely aiming at the same goal.

What is the current minimum wage?

$9.

Has some new information come out about the minimum wage that I seem to have missed?

Not new information, but not the misinformation I provided. The Reasonable Minimum Wage Act created a $9 minimum wage, which is what I must have been looking at when I typed that, but that is not consistent with current law.

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So the minimum wage everywhere right now is effectively $12.00, but the federal minimum is $10.50.

Snowstalker and I want to raise the federal minimum to $11.50 and eventually, $12.50. The regions can still have the right wages for their economies, like the Northeast's higher minimum wage.

[Sbane]

Ok, then I guess I rescind my amendment since the increase in the original bill is consistent with what I would want.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Abstain

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Nay

[Sbane]

I formally retract my amendment, if I can do that?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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There isn't as much freedom of action on these votes, hence why I sometimes ask before opening them. The best solution is just have people start voting nay until we get to six. We are close if not there already.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

1-4-2-3 appears to be the current vote.


With Ben, Clarence, sbane (unless I missed it) having not voted. Nix and Hagrid abstained, and jdb/X voted Aye. Nappy, myself, Matt and Snowstalker voted no. Time expires on the nineteenth.

[Sbane]

Nay

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Changing my vote to nay

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Amendment 54:39 by sbane:

Aye (0):
Nay (6): jdb, Matt from VT, Napoleon, NC Yankee, sbane and Snowstalker
Abstain (2): Averroës Nix and HagridoftheDeep

Didn't Vote (2): Ben and Clarence

The amendment has failed.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Nappy, is it a no go on that potential amendment?

[Napoleon]

Well, others need to give input.

[Marokai Backbeat]

At this point, I'll sign this damn thing just to get it off the floor.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am fairly certain that the jump to 11.50 can be sustained, my concern with slowing the implementation centers around a second jump of the stated size occuring quite that soon afterwards. Unlike sbane's amendment, my preferred option would be to leave the first bump up as it is in the text and then either reduce or push back the second one (possibly to April instead of January).

As for the automatic increase, the best I can offer is the suggestion I made a page or two back about possibly altering the formula and so forth.

[Napoleon]

I will introduce a final amendment sometime today.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Thursday seems to have gotten much longer than I remember it being back in the day.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

At this point, I'll sign this damn thing just to get it off the floor.

Hooray!

If Nap's amendment isn't in by Monday, I'd like to move into final voting procedures.