UK General Discussion: 2017 and onwards, Mayhem

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I mean, it was always obvious that, conditional on Brexit, the choice has always been no deal or this sort of a deal. If anything, Europeans were generous in providing some fig leafs - they, really, did not have to.

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Jeremy Corbyn blasts 'neoliberal' EU as he calls for a socialist Europe

All hail Jeremy, the glorious leader of the future UKSSR!

(pedantic) The right term is ESSR: English Soviet Socialist Republic.  It cannot be simultaneously a Kingdom and a Republic, so K would have to be dropped. And It is not likely to be very United, so there goes the U. I guess, if Wales states, it could be BSSR (British Soviet Socialist Republic).

Though, on second thought, there is a problem: ESSR was Estonia and BSSR was Belorussia. So, perhaps, to follow the Soviet practice in such cases we should do EngSSR or BritSSR.

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Jeremy Corbyn blasts 'neoliberal' EU as he calls for a socialist Europe

All hail Jeremy, the glorious leader of the future UKSSR!

(pedantic) The right term is ESSR: English Soviet Socialist Republic.  It cannot be simultaneously a Kingdom and a Republic, so K would have to be dropped. And It is not likely to be very United, so there goes the U. I guess, if Wales states, it could be BSSR (British Soviet Socialist Republic).

Though, on second thought, there is a problem: ESSR was Estonia and BSSR was Belorussia. So, perhaps, to follow the Soviet practice in such cases we should do EngSSR or BritSSR.

Oh yeah, you're right, my bad... BritSSR seems hip, but I would also be fine with EngSSR.

Let's just hope he spears the Royals, unlike the Soviets...

Spears the royals?! Poor Queen Elizabeth. Why do you want such a grizzly end for her?!!! Then, again, just thinking of Corbyn with a spear makes one shudder.

Or did you mean spares?

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She will survive the Tory vote today. The questions is, if she will survive the parliamentary confidence over the next month or so.

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Why exactly would the Tories willingly surrender power to Labour, because thats what a true confidence vote would do.

Because the parliamentary arithmetic currently means that there is no Brexit deal which can command the majority of parliament, so it's either a general election to change that arithmetic or wave no deal through.

Or a second referendum; if Labour can't get a VONC, they'd probably back that.

Would they? Corbyn is clearly a diehard Leaver, whatever he says in public, which is why he's so opposed to a second referendum. I think he'd honestly prefer crashing out in a no deal scenario. Which makes things tricky. Definitely an overwhelming majority of the Labour MPs would support a second referendum, but, with Corbyn vocally opposed, Labour has its own problems.

To form the government at this point Labor would need SNP and LibDems. And I am pretty certain both would insist on a second referendum if they are to vote for that government.

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She won't lose today. But if she were, who'd be the interim PM? Would she stay? Would the Queen appoint some other Tory?

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If it is no deal, what would be the visa regime for British tourists in Europe?

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If it is no deal, what would be the visa regime for British tourists in Europe?

Depends on what the UK does. However, unless we Remain, we'll be going to the standard Schengen visa free rules i.e. max 90 days in any 180, with the €7 fee waiver required every three years from 2021 onwards.

Same as the US, basically.

Is it clear it is going to be visa-free? Does it follow from some actual document?

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Paddy Ashdown has died. He led the LibDems from 1988 until 1999, successfully transforming the wreckage of the Alliance into a viable party (not something that actually seemed at all certain at the time) and eventually leading it to what was at the time the strongest showing for the Centre in terms of seats since the 1920s at the 1997 General Election.

A giant from a better age.