"Crazy Bernie" to introduce socialized medicine bill

[Blue3]

For those saying it's Un-American Socialism... they said the same thing about Social Security.

[Blue3]

For those saying it's Un-American Socialism... they said the same thing about Social Security.

Do you dispute that this is socialism?

There's 2 views...

1. There's the broad view that would include Social Security as socialism, as well as most government programs created since 1860.

2. There's the view that it can only be Socialist if it's about communal democratic ownership of the means of production.



If you go with view #1, you'll find that a supermajority of Americans are already socialist for supporting the existence of Social Security and like-minded programs.

If you go with view #2, no, single-payer has nothing to do with owning the means of production.
(And most countries that would be identified as capitalist, like the UK and Canada, have a version of single-payer healthcare.)

[Blue3]

So am I.


It's as socialist as Social Security.

Being that... if you think Social Security is socialist, then single-payer is... if you think Social Security is NOT socialist, then neither is single-payer.

[Blue3]

So am I.


It's as socialist as Social Security.

Being that... if you think Social Security is socialist, then single-payer is... if you think Social Security is NOT socialist, then neither is single-payer.

Eh...

What?

Single-Payer involves loss of an entire industry of the free market - the health insurance industry, through all health care being paid for by government - and therefore I see it as socialism. While it is hardly the only thing that openly socialist states do to live up to their label, it definitely and unavoidably opens the door to becoming a socialist state, which should not be tolerated in this country.

Like I believe is the case in the UK/Canada, private insurance can still exist for more elective treatments.