Wages for Housework Act

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Are there any estimations on how much this would cost?

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I don't think we should lay this off to the regions. Such a program likely will cost a great deal of money, and from my opinion in the Pacific, I know it's hard to get to even a small surplus, which this bill would again destroy, without the regional governments having any saying in this. So I will not support this if it costs the Pacific one cent.

We should take DemPGH's method, putting it in the budget and think about funding it then. Maybe we could then finance it by a modest increase in, I don't know, property tax or whatever, or with just shifting money from that point and that point to this.
Anyway, we can't work productively if we don't have at least an idea on how much this is going to cost. Surely this is very much work for Hagrid, but until there is no GM, who can do it?

On a side note here - SirNick wanted to become GM, but he can't re-register until I think still three weeks... Is there no way through a senate resolution or an executive order or anything to permit him an earlier re-registration, so he can fill that essential position?

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On a side note here - SirNick wanted to become GM, but he can't re-register until I think still three weeks... Is there no way through a senate resolution or an executive order or anything to permit him an earlier re-registration, so he can fill that essential position?

It's a complicated issue, but you might argue that there is a loophole in the Fair Deregistration Rights Act, considering that it states a deregistered Atlasian cannot be elected. Consdering the GM is appointed and approved by the Senate and it's not technically elected by the voters, I don't know if that can be considered an actual loophole (and it could lead to another court case).

Besides, our Constitution (so well written and so infalible) doesn't talk about deregistration unless it's triggered automatically by inactivity.

We could try this then? By the time the Supreme Court will give its ruling, the two months will be long pased, and SirNick will again be a registered Atlasian? Plus, this is an emergency situation, since we have had no GM for over two weeks now, and we seem to need one every second bill... Hagrid does a splendid job, but he can't do everything, that's simply too much...

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On a side note here - SirNick wanted to become GM, but he can't re-register until I think still three weeks... Is there no way through a senate resolution or an executive order or anything to permit him an earlier re-registration, so he can fill that essential position?

It's a complicated issue, but you might argue that there is a loophole in the Fair Deregistration Rights Act, considering that it states a deregistered Atlasian cannot be elected. Consdering the GM is appointed and approved by the Senate and it's not technically elected by the voters, I don't know if that can be considered an actual loophole (and it could lead to another court case).

Besides, our Constitution (so well written and so infalible) doesn't talk about deregistration unless it's triggered automatically by inactivity.

We could try this then? By the time the Supreme Court will give its ruling, the two months will be long pased, and SirNick will again be a registered Atlasian? Plus, this is an emergency situation, since we have had no GM for over two weeks now, and we seem to need one every second bill... Hagrid does a splendid job, but he can't do everything, that's simply too much...

Well, I would vote to confirm SirNick since I know he could do a magnificent job (I wish he had been picked instead of Napoleon of all people) and we need a GM, but if the loophole actuallt exists this could also create a dangerous precedent (it would be to abuse the Constitution after all), and given that the past month has seen a good number of situations regarding ambiguity it has its dangers. Once again, we really need to do something about the Constitution...

Yeah you're right. It would have to be struck down by the Supreme Court afterwards, so it could never be used afterwards, but all this likely is not such a favourable opinion.
We absolutely need to. Yet, I don't think we will get a constitutional convention done with the current process, so should we propose an amendment to enable the Senate to call a Constitutional Convention, with a 2/3 vote or something?

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On a side note here - SirNick wanted to become GM, but he can't re-register until I think still three weeks... Is there no way through a senate resolution or an executive order or anything to permit him an earlier re-registration, so he can fill that essential position?

It's a complicated issue, but you might argue that there is a loophole in the Fair Deregistration Rights Act, considering that it states a deregistered Atlasian cannot be elected. Consdering the GM is appointed and approved by the Senate and it's not technically elected by the voters, I don't know if that can be considered an actual loophole (and it could lead to another court case).

Besides, our Constitution (so well written and so infalible) doesn't talk about deregistration unless it's triggered automatically by inactivity.

We could try this then? By the time the Supreme Court will give its ruling, the two months will be long pased, and SirNick will again be a registered Atlasian? Plus, this is an emergency situation, since we have had no GM for over two weeks now, and we seem to need one every second bill... Hagrid does a splendid job, but he can't do everything, that's simply too much...

Well, I would vote to confirm SirNick since I know he could do a magnificent job (I wish he had been picked instead of Napoleon of all people) and we need a GM, but if the loophole actuallt exists this could also create a dangerous precedent (it would be to abuse the Constitution after all), and given that the past month has seen a good number of situations regarding ambiguity it has its dangers. Once again, we really need to do something about the Constitution...

Yeah you're right. It would have to be struck down by the Supreme Court afterwards, so it could never be used afterwards, but all this likely is not such a favourable opinion.
We absolutely need to. Yet, I don't think we will get a constitutional convention done with the current process, so should we propose an amendment to enable the Senate to call a Constitutional Convention, with a 2/3 vote or something?

We might try to do that, but that would mean stripping the regions of one of its powers, and that has complications as well, xD. I'll do some research to see if something can be done regarding the Constitution, because we have reached a limit in regards to ambiguity...

But, considering how much it is necessary, perhaps in a time of emergency like this, the Senate can do so, especially considering that the constitution should be a national issue. We're not going to get the kind of support necessary in the way we go about it now. For an issue such as this, the Senate should have some power.

That's the main problem with the current way - we will never get to trigger a constitutional convention.
Proposing an amendment might be a way, but that will possibly be just rejected by the public, I'd assume...

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Once we come up with a figure for this, we could simply slap a wealth tax on all income over $1,000,000,000 to fund this.

You mean a 100% income tax on all income >$1 million? Or anyone with an income >$1 million would have their total wealth taxed by a certain percentage?

1 billion, and a wealth tax is, as far as I know, the latter...

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Am I the only one thinking this has gone off on a bit of an odd-track?

This is the second time in a row we're discussing something completely different than the bill in this thread

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Aye

Though I hope this doesn't mean we have to table the Napa Earthquake bill for the same reason. I would argue that it has direction and is merely held up by numbers alone, whereas, this would need the numbers to find direction.

I shall hope so as well, as we really just need the numbers there to go, and Hagrid certainly will provide us once he's returned.

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Confiscating everything from someone who makes >1,000,000,000 is a non starter with me. In my Detroit plan the national government can only take via taxes no more than 40%. TNF, why should we as a government take even more from our job creators and citizens of significant means when taxation should be fair and equal to all and by no means progressive?

When did TNF say he wanted to take everything?
And what does this have to do with tabling the bill for the time being?