Raising Minimum Smoking Age

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

There should be no minimum smoking age.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

There should be no minimum smoking age.

agreed, it should be banned entirely.

Thanks for knowing what is best for me!

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

There should be no minimum smoking age.

agreed, it should be banned entirely.

Thanks for knowing what is best for me!

haha that slogan doesn't really work when you're talking about tobacco.

Wait, am I being lectured by a person (pardon the pun) who refuses to use capital letters?

There should be no minimum smoking age.

agreed, it should be banned entirely.

Thanks for knowing what is best for me!

haha that slogan doesn't really work when you're talking about tobacco.

Assuming that one's physical condition is how they judge their well-being in life is sculptural it biased value judgment.

Exactly-it isn't a health issue. I know cigarettes are bad, and I know I will die from them if I continue to smoke. But I have one life to live, and I am going to enjoy it at least for a short while.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

There should be no minimum smoking age.

agreed, it should be banned entirely.

Thanks for knowing what is best for me!

haha that slogan doesn't really work when you're talking about tobacco.

Wait, am I being lectured by a person (pardon the pun) who refuses to use capital letters?

oh man, you got me! i guess we should keep doing nothing about the world's most common preventable cause of death after all!

^{seriously, though, this is almost as good of a non sequitur as tnf's last one. congrats!}

People die. I'm going to die. You're going to die. We all die. Frankly, I don't mind dying at the age of 77 from lung cancer in 2073. In fact, it is rather kind of me considering the world's population is growing way to fast for earth to handle it.

You could tell me in normal font size, you know. I don't really care about your internet mumbling.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

it should be noted that over 10% of deaths due to smoking are from secondhand smoke, so the "well i'm just hurting myself, who cares" argument is bullsht.

now, unless you have a different argument than "i have the ｆｒｅｅｄｏｍ to shove tar into my lungs at top speed and ｎｏｂｏｄｙ ｃａｎ ｓｔｏｐ ｍｅ ≧ʍ≦" i'll be leaving this thread

What about the argument that prohibiting drugs doesn't work, which I made on the last page and which you never responded to?

didn't respond because it's apples vs oranges. it's worked pretty well for everything but alcohol and cannabis, and those are objectively an entirely different class of drug than tobacco.

Dude, she did say "10% of deaths due to smoking." Not that that doesn't sound about 75% like a made-up statistic,

source: tobacco use causes over 5mil deaths a year worldwide; secondhand smoke causes 600k deaths a year worldwide

Yes, the typo's my fault - I meant to italicise 10% rather than deaths. I was not under the impression that she was claiming that 10% of all human deaths worldwide were attributable to secondhand smoke. That would go from being merely impressive to jawdropping.

It's clearly a nonsense statistic but in any event it's a risk that's greatly decreased in most of the Western World given changing social expectations. I'm not sure why Butafly thinks that that's an argument for banning smoking entirely rather than simply in workplaces etc, etc.

banning smoking in workplaces won't change the fact that over 50% of children in america are exposed to second-hand smoke

You know, if you don't want to be exposed to second hand smoke you can always, you know, walk away .