EFCA in trouble in Senate

[Nym90]

It's worth noting that unions can be eliminated in the workplace without a secret ballot. For those of you who oppose this, would you support changing that as well?

[Nym90]

Why would people like Pryor or Lincoln (especially Lincoln) risk Walmart funding a candidate against them?

I wonder who the other four are.  Landrieu makes sense.

Well, they might care about, um, doing the right thing morally, and helping the economy, and not just doing what's best for Walmart.

I realize that's a laughable concept in politics, but I guess I'm still too young to believe it's impossible.

[Nym90]

Why would people like Pryor or Lincoln (especially Lincoln) risk Walmart funding a candidate against them?

I wonder who the other four are.  Landrieu makes sense.

Well, they might care about, um, doing the right thing morally, and helping the economy, and not just doing what's best for Walmart.

You mean exchanging their vote for all kinds of concessions from Reid regarding future bills, while watering down the bill enough that the Chamber of Commerce ultra-fund their opponents [instead of just funding]?

Such a cynical lad dost thou be.

[Nym90]

Why would people like Pryor or Lincoln (especially Lincoln) risk Walmart funding a candidate against them?

I wonder who the other four are.  Landrieu makes sense.

Well, they might care about, um, doing the right thing morally, and helping the economy, and not just doing what's best for Walmart.

I realize that's a laughable concept in politics, but I guess I'm still too young to believe it's impossible.

You're right.  I forgot about Tyson Chicken.  

Btw, this bill would be nothing but a complete disaster to the private sector of this country, especially small business, at possibly the worst possible time.

Yeah, we've had that discussion before, and will simply have to agree to disagree about whether higher pay and better benefits for employees helps the economy or not. Obviously those who oppose the stimulus will oppose this too for the same reason, but I can't see how supply side economics is the answer to this crisis.

[Nym90]

The government wouldn't be forcing anything. The workers would decide for themselves whether or not to create the union. If the company wants to use scare tactics to attempt to persuade the employees that unions are bad for the economy, that's their right.

Ultimately, balance in the labor-management relationship is good for the economy, as opposed to allowing one side to have all or almost all the power at the expense of the other.

I only bring up supply side as a bad solution because I believe the demand side is where the problem currently lies with the economy (and has for 30 years or more, it's just been artificially masked for a long time).

[Nym90]

It's worth noting that unions can be eliminated in the workplace without a secret ballot. For those of you who oppose this, would you support changing that as well?

I notice this question drew no responses and thus must have gotten lost in the shuffle.

[Nym90]

when did we start needing 60 votes to pass anything?  seriously, Reid needs to make the Republicans stand up and talk for 30 hours without taking a piss or whatever it is every time they vote against cloture.

(not that I support the EFCA and not that I oppose it.  it's just a joke that the GOP gets to ram through a gigantic, crippling tax cut by a vote of 51-50 and the Dems need the Arlen Specters of the world so they can beat that number by ten)

Maybe we need to bring back the nuclear option that the Republicans threatened to impose in 2005. I'm sure they would still support it now since they supported it then, right?

[Nym90]

It's worth noting that unions can be eliminated in the workplace without a secret ballot. For those of you who oppose this, would you support changing that as well?

I notice this question drew no responses and thus must have gotten lost in the shuffle.

     I guess someone should respond. Anyway, I oppose changing it, as I oppose the notion of labor unions existing in today's economy.

"Today's economy" as we know it would never have existed without unions.

But I do appreciate your honesty. The real motivation behind defeating this bill is in creating greater imbalance in the labor-management relationship, not in trying to keep it in balance as some supporters have claimed.