If the Presidential election were held on June 1, 2005, who would you support

[PBrunsel]

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Your right about that walter. The party leadership will sink any insurgent candidates.

On the Republican side, definite. The Democrats have real primaries, though, for example 1968, 1984, 1988, 2004.

GOP Primaries whre the underdog won out:

1860
1876
1880
1888
1920
1940
1964

Damn that's a lot isn't it?

I didn't list all of the underdog Democratic winners. All 4 years I mentioned are since 1964, the only  recent year you mentioned.

Your just upset because you only know fractured history. Just kidding of course.

Well I guess you could say 1980 because no one really thought that a Conservative Reagan to appeal to the GOp base which had called for a shift to the middle.

By 2004 you obviously mean Dean, and he didn't win the nomination so I have a few for you, and then i'll shut up on the issue.

1960, Goldwater and Rocklefeller try to take out Nixon. Goldwater nearly gets the South's support at the GOP Convention.

1976, Reagan nearly took out Ford.

1988, Dole nearly took out Bush.

While were at it let's not forget Buchanan in 1996, nearly upsetted the apple cart.

In 2004, 1968 and many of the other years the front-runner changed multiple times.

Nearly doesn't count.

Well let me explain to you that by brining up 2004 we must admit you are speaking of Dean. Pat Buchanan was the front runner after winning New Hampshire in 1996. Reagan was the front runner after amazing wins in Southern Tuesday. Heck, so was Dole in 1988 after Iowa.

All the races I brought up (with the exception of 1960) had the front runner switch back and forth.

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Well let me explain to you that by brining up 2004 we must admit you are speaking of Dean. Pat Buchanan was the front runner after winning New Hampshire in 1996. Reagan was the front runner after amazing wins in Southern Tuesday. Heck, so was Dole in 1988 after Iowa.

All the races I brought up (with the exception of 1960) had the front runner switch back and forth.

Dean, Edwards, Lieberman, and Kerry were all front-runners at one point in the 2004 primary. Basically Lieberman until people actually found out stuff about the guy, Edwards until the media got bored with him, and Dean until Iowa.

[PBrunsel]

Dean, Edwards, Lieberman, and Kerry were all front-runners at one point in the 2004 primary. Basically Lieberman until people actually found out stuff about the guy, Edwards until the media got bored with him, and Dean until Iowa.

Let me bring up my favorite primary of all 1996.

First it was Powell, he didn;t run. Then Specter took the lead, but dropped out. Finally Buchanan has his 15-minutes of fame (like Dean) when he was polling high and won New Hampshire. Finally (like Kerry in 2004) Dole, the established senator, won most of the primaries. See 1996 and 2004 are almost exactly identical.

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Dean, Edwards, Lieberman, and Kerry were all front-runners at one point in the 2004 primary. Basically Lieberman until people actually found out stuff about the guy, Edwards until the media got bored with him, and Dean until Iowa.

Let me bring up my favorite primary of all 1996.

First it was Powell, he didn;t run. Then Specter took the lead, but dropped out. Finally Buchanan has his 15-minutes of fame (like Dean) when he was polling high and won New Hampshire. Finally (like Kerry in 2004) Dole, the established senator, won most of the primaries. See 1996 and 2004 are almost exactly identical.

Dole was the clear front-runner at the end of 1995, before the voting started. NH tends to not like establishment candidates as much as the other states, so who cares who won it.
http://www.aaiusa.org/wwatch_archives/121895.htm

[PBrunsel]

Dean, Edwards, Lieberman, and Kerry were all front-runners at one point in the 2004 primary. Basically Lieberman until people actually found out stuff about the guy, Edwards until the media got bored with him, and Dean until Iowa.

Let me bring up my favorite primary of all 1996.

First it was Powell, he didn;t run. Then Specter took the lead, but dropped out. Finally Buchanan has his 15-minutes of fame (like Dean) when he was polling high and won New Hampshire. Finally (like Kerry in 2004) Dole, the established senator, won most of the primaries. See 1996 and 2004 are almost exactly identical.

Dole was the clear front-runner at the end of 1995, before the voting started. NH tends to not like establishment candidates as much as the other states, so who cares who won it.
http://www.aaiusa.org/wwatch_archives/121895.htm

That states that 75% of those polled could not even name two GOP candidates Kind of sad actually.

Bob Dole had the name recogniton then. Not a very good source.

[Keystone Phil]

Republican - Sen. Rick Santorum (President)
                    Gov. Mark Sanford  (Vice President)

Democrat (to lose) - Sen. Hillary Clinton (President)
                                Sen. Russ Feingold (Vice President)

Democrat (if they must win) - Gov. Phil Bredesen (President)
                                             Sen. Evan Bayh (Vice President)

[J.R. Brown]

Democrats:

President-Gov. Mark Warner
Vice Pres.-Sen. Mary Landrieu

Republicans:

President-Sen. John McCain
Vice Pres.-Sen. Chuck Hagel

[Notre Dame rules!]

GOP:    George Allen/J.C. Watts

Dems:  Phil Bredesen/Evan Bayh

[zorkpolitics]

GOP:  McCain/Jeb Bush
Dem:  Lieberman/Blanch Lincoln

[TheresNoMoney]

Dems:

President Feingold
VP Warner

Republicans:

John McCain
Olympia Snowe

[No more McShame]

Republicans: President Bill Owens
                     Vice-President George Allen

Democrats: President Phil Bredesen
                   Vice-President Joe Lieberman

[Beet]

Dems:
Mark Warner / Janet Napolitano

Republicans:
Rudolph Giuliani / Olympia Snowe

[skybridge]

Democrats:

President Russ Feingold
Vice-President Evan Bayh

Republicans:

For the question's sake, some McCain/Powellish ticket, or whoever the few semi-decent Republicans are.

[MODU]

I wonder if Joe-mentum would switch over to be an Indepenent VP candidate.  He's a moderate/conservative Democrat which could be an attractive side-kick to a successful businessman running as President.

[No more McShame]

Dems:
Mark Warner / Janet Napolitano

Republicans:
Rudolph Giuliani / Olympia Snowe

I change my Dem VP vote to Napolitano to get her out of Arizona into a position of non-power.  Warner doesn't have any health issues does he ?

[MODU]

Warner doesn't have any health issues does he ?

Nope.  He's quite healthy.

[jacob_101]

There are so many Reps I would support.  Jeb Bush, John Mc Cain, Tim Pawlenty are my top choices.

Dems: James Traficant(if he gets out of prison) LOL I am kidding although I do like him.  I might support Evan Bayh.

***side note- in other posts many have wondered if Pawlenty would even get re elected in MN in 2006.  As of the latest poll(not sure who conducted it) broadcast on the news last night his approval rating is 56%.

[Joe Republic]

Tim Pawlenty/Elizabeth Dole

Evan Bayh/Wes Clark

[Joe Republic]

I wonder if Joe-mentum would switch over to be an Indepenent VP candidate.  He's a moderate/conservative Democrat which could be an attractive side-kick to a successful businessman running as President.

He's a lot of things, but I don't see him as a backstabber.

[MODU]

I wonder if Joe-mentum would switch over to be an Indepenent VP candidate.  He's a moderate/conservative Democrat which could be an attractive side-kick to a successful businessman running as President.

He's a lot of things, but I don't see him as a backstabber.

Which is the worse backstabber:

1)  Leaving your party to run on a ticket in the hopes to actually serve the people, or,

2)  Stay with your party and do what's best for your party over what's best for the public?

I'd rather see him leave his party and serve everyone.  He has a hard enough time towing his party's line these days anyway.  (Proof that you cannot cookie-cutter society into just two parties.)

[Joe Republic]

I fully agree, but I just don't see Lieberman sacrificing his political career for a one-off stunt.

[Joe Biden 2020]

I fully agree, but I just don't see Lieberman sacrificing his political career for a one-off stunt.

I agree with you, Joe.  Joe Lieberman is too good of a Senator to risk his reputation on something silly like that.

[Ebowed]

I would support Mark Sanford.

[Speed of Sound]

I would vote for Russ Feingold