SENATE BILL: Ukrainian Technical, Economical and Military Aid (Debating)

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I'd rather not prop up a government that includes neo-nazis, thanks.

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Svoboda is a neo-Nazi party.

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Why is it our job to help the Ukrainian government? Why can't we just mind our own business and focus on the real issues we have at home? (an economy dominated by non-working parasites)

We don't have to play world police, and we shouldn't. Senator Lumine's drive to transform Atlasia into a global policeman is backwards and insane. We've seen how that works out in real life. Let's bring all the troops home and send them to Wall Street, where they're actually needed.

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Does this Senate want to send arms to the Azov Battalion?

Apparently Herr Von Reunthal and the Fascist Federalist Party does.

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What an objective source without any possible ulterior motives.

Says the man who praises Venezuela and uses government sources to base such undeserved praise. I'm not a fan of ad-hominem attacks, but the irony here is quite noteworthy.

Venezuela is an actual democracy, unlike Neo-Nazi-Neoliberal Ukraine.

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Citing 'Forbes' and 'Freedomhouse' doesn't really make your argument any more founded, given that those are organizations that want to see the Bolivarian Revolution fail.

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Citing 'Forbes' and 'Freedomhouse' doesn't really make your argument any more founded, given that those are organizations that want to see the Bolivarian Revolution fail.

Are your sources any better? And why do you say that Freedom House doesn't support the Bolivarian Revolution?

Because it's a tool of American imperialism, and has been since it's founding during the Cold War.

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I feel that the aid we're cutting can be best spent at home.

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Aye

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This is just an absurd. We cannot require them to ban the "Right Sector". We can ask them not to include their leaders in government roles but we cannot ask them to destroy an organization.

We did it during the Cold War, as a condition of Marshall Plan aid.

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That looks good, Shua.

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AYE

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NAY

How nice of you to actually join us, Senator.

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This is just an absurd. We cannot require them to ban the "Right Sector". We can ask them not to include their leaders in government roles but we cannot ask them to destroy an organization.

We did it during the Cold War, as a condition of Marshall Plan aid.

I'm not in the Cold War anymore....

Better give Lumine the heads up on that one.

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This is just an absurd. We cannot require them to ban the "Right Sector". We can ask them not to include their leaders in government roles but we cannot ask them to destroy an organization.

We did it during the Cold War, as a condition of Marshall Plan aid.

I'm not in the Cold War anymore....

Better give Lumine the heads up on that one.

Hey, I'm not the one advocating for the ideology who lost, xD

I'm not a Marxist-Leninist, dude.

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Aye

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Aye

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Why are people voting Nay on this when the sponsor still has yet to explain why handing Ukraine taxpayer money to "diversify trade" is necessary or how it will even work?

Because MUH FREEDOM

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I like Shua's amendment. I don't think I'll be voting for this at any rate (it conflicts with my anti-imperialist principles) but I do support watering it down as much as possible, given that the author of this bill would be just fine with sending Atlasian soldiers to die in defense of the Ukrainian regime.

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I like Shua's amendment. I don't think I'll be voting for this at any rate (it conflicts with my anti-imperialist principles) but I do support watering it down as much as possible, given that the author of this bill would be just fine with sending Atlasian soldiers to die in defense of the Ukrainian regime.

And you would just fine with condemning Ukraine to economic slavery and continous revolts funded by pro-Russian events. Although I should point out I never spoke about sending actual combat troops, but facts don't seem to matter a lot these days...

Nah, I oppose capitalism.

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I like Shua's amendment. I don't think I'll be voting for this at any rate (it conflicts with my anti-imperialist principles) but I do support watering it down as much as possible, given that the author of this bill would be just fine with sending Atlasian soldiers to die in defense of the Ukrainian regime.

And you would just fine with condemning Ukraine to economic slavery and continous revolts funded by pro-Russian events. Although I should point out I never spoke about sending actual combat troops, but facts don't seem to matter a lot these days...

Even assuming that dependence on Russia for energy supplies is equivalent to "economic slavery," you still have yet to explain how this aid would liberate Ukraine.

Don't hold your breath on that, comrade. Hawks never do.

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