SENATE BILL: Ukrainian Technical, Economical and Military Aid (Debating)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Certainly at these levels, we do need some honest third parties handling the money like shua said.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Ah what, Alfred?



Generally I favor minimizing entanglements but then part of me says sometimes you can minimize future entanglements with some involvement now, so it is a tough one for me.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What about the third party/NGO involvement? Do we need an amendment for that?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I don't think any single body is trustworthy enough to be handed $9 billion.  (and yes that includes the Atlasian Senate )

So how about a collection of bodies instead?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Was it Lumine or Superique that suggested a panel to determine the dsitribution of the money?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You offering that now or just sampling opinions at present?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Cincy you gonna process that amendment?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You still out there Cincy?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Nay ftr

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This has been over for about five hours now I think.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

NAY


Why is section 5 being cut? Were it not for that I would lean towards supporting the amendment, though I would also prefer to keep section 3 as well considering the circumstances they are in.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

NAY


Why is section 5 being cut? Were it not for that I would lean towards supporting the amendment, though I would also prefer to keep section 3 as well considering the circumstances they are in.

Section 5 is all about the conditions on which the money is being given to the Ukrainian government. Since this amendment directs that the goals of this bill instead be accomplished through funding to entities other than the Ukrainian government, it is not relevant.

Sure, but in that case wouldn't section just be amended to reflect that change instead of removed?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Time is up on the amendment vote Cincy.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

NAY

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You can end this vote now Cincy.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Lumine? Cincy?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The vote Cincy?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Status: A Vote is now open on the underlying legislation, SEnators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

lean Nay

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

In World War I, the supply of Cardiff coal to Petrograd (St. Petersburg) by sea was cut by the German blockage and so they had to train up huge coal drags from the Donets basin to keep the Steel and Iron industry of the Vyborg district running as well as to provide at least some heat for the city, over tracks that were already overstretched to handle the huge flows of supplies to the front and at a time when capcity of the railroad dropped by 60%.

Now the shoe is on the other foot.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Did everyone take a vacation yesterday? Seriously a few of these seem to have been left unposted in for two days or so.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Damn it Cincy.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So I shall break the tie:

Seriously, I'm saddened to see that 4 senators missed the vote. Well, this is a problem with communication I guess. You were probably unaware there was a vote.
So, first reform I will do: I will PM all of you when I will open a vote! 

The topic title was not updated when Cincy opened the vote, that is why it was missed by so many people.

PMs will probably be necessary, especailly where bills where we cannot update the thread topic titles between us like this one started by Cincy (Cincy seems to be rather detached, his response to my last PM was that he was retired adn something about his lawn).

I used to send out PMs, rather sadistic and creepy ones to get people's attention. People began to not appreciate them and even grumple about them and twoards the end of last year once Gass, Nappy and Xahar had left, it didn't appear to be necessary as people were voting rather regularly and so I stopped. I should have started again in March.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Lumine, thoughts on 62:01? (probably but I haven't reached the bottom yet, could be 62:02 or 62:03).

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Since Lumine is friendly to shua's amendment,

Senator, you have until July 07, 2014, 10:18:25 pm to object to shua's amendment.

Yea Windjammer can call it as passed ^