EU Considering Its Own Army and Nuclear Arsenal as US Withdraws

[Bismarck]

Well I guess Nigel Farage was right, he often mentioned this possibility as a reason to get out of the EU, and was laughed at as a kook by many for this very claim. I doubt many soldiers would want to fight in a European army rather than their own countries armed forces.

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Well I guess Nigel Farage was right, he often mentioned this possibility as a reason to get out of the EU, and was laughed at as a kook by many for this very claim. I doubt many soldiers would want to fight in a European army rather than their own countries armed forces.

Except all countries have opt outs - the neutral ones like Austria and the Eurosceptics like Denmark are not bforced into the project.

Farage is treated like a kook because he is a loudmouth far more interested in his vanity performances for his creepy fanbase of moronic Americans than anything constructive.

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Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to just meet your NATO financial goals?

No, and no.

well that settles that I guess....good luck!

The problem is with the MUH TWO PERCENT obsession is that people on both sides of the channel think about in two ways. Although the dominant narrative stateside is that Germans are twiddling their moustaches and laughing at how they're mooching off Americans, the mood in Germany is very much different.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Well I guess Nigel Farage was right, he often mentioned this possibility as a reason to get out of the EU, and was laughed at as a kook by many for this very claim. I doubt many soldiers would want to fight in a European army rather than their own countries armed forces.

i am pretty sure, not a single european soldier would want to fight in some globalist, multinational, imperialist tool like...let's say...NATO or so.

[dead0man]

unless, lets say, the Soviets were rolling through their mom's back yard.

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unless, lets say, the Soviets were rolling through their mom's back yard.

They certainly do in mom mom's backyard.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Well I guess Nigel Farage was right, he often mentioned this possibility as a reason to get out of the EU, and was laughed at as a kook by many for this very claim. I doubt many soldiers would want to fight in a European army rather than their own countries armed forces.

i am pretty sure, not a single european soldier would want to fight in some globalist, multinational, imperialist tool like...let's say...NATO or so.

     At least NATO's not a bureaucratic pseudo-nation that dreams of someday becoming a real nation.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Well I guess Nigel Farage was right, he often mentioned this possibility as a reason to get out of the EU, and was laughed at as a kook by many for this very claim. I doubt many soldiers would want to fight in a European army rather than their own countries armed forces.

i am pretty sure, not a single european soldier would want to fight in some globalist, multinational, imperialist tool like...let's say...NATO or so.

     At least NATO's not a bureaucratic pseudo-nation that dreams of someday becoming a real nation.

There's absolutely no reason why Europe shouldn't become a federal state someday. The thirteen colonies were once a pseudo-nation too.

[ApatheticAustrian]

 At least NATO's not a bureaucratic pseudo-nation that dreams of someday becoming a real nation.

unimportant.

mister trump doesn't want us to suck on american teats and our contrahents are major big nations, which makes the usage of synergetic cooperation logical.

people from the US belittling the EU always seemed strange to me, since the US are the logical prototype for associations like those and the means of uniting US were partially much more "undemocratic" like ours.

well....practically, it works in ways of karma since a weakened EU would also weaken US values on a  global  level but i am not a moralist who could find satisfaction in such things.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to just meet your NATO financial goals?

No, and no.

I've always understood that part of the design of NATO is that it assumes the US will be present and fighting. So a NATO force without US support would be missing vital parts, no matter how good the European parts were. So if the EU is worried that it can't count on the US, putting together a complete, stand-alone EU military makes sense, whether they stay in NATO or not.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Well I guess Nigel Farage was right, he often mentioned this possibility as a reason to get out of the EU, and was laughed at as a kook by many for this very claim. I doubt many soldiers would want to fight in a European army rather than their own countries armed forces.

i am pretty sure, not a single european soldier would want to fight in some globalist, multinational, imperialist tool like...let's say...NATO or so.

     At least NATO's not a bureaucratic pseudo-nation that dreams of someday becoming a real nation.

There's absolutely no reason why Europe shouldn't become a federal state someday. The thirteen colonies were once a pseudo-nation too.

     The thirteen colonies were much closer culturally. The problem with a federal EU is that representative democracy has issues with scaling. The dysfunction of the US could be largely cured by splitting it into several smaller countries.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I just hope it won't get stuck like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Defence_Community

To add insult to injury, this is what brought down PMF's government.