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Ray Goldfield
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« on: May 20, 2024, 02:15:44 PM »

Biden is not going to endorse the attempt by the ICC to create a precedent for universal jurisdiction. He's far too smart for that. One of the many reasons he still has my vote.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2024, 09:41:41 PM »



Hopefully this bill easily passes congress .

I think it gets at least 350 votes, easily. Republicans despise the ICC, and if Biden gives the nod to support this bill, it won't face more than token opposition. 400 is probably more likely than 300.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2024, 09:59:48 AM »

Mike Johnson

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7SEkqmvDEp/

The US Government simply not putting up with Khan's idiocracy, with one level of threats. If the ICC pushes forward withbit's plans, then a second level of threats will emerge.

The US is empowering its adversaries like Russia and China with its idiotic attacks on international laws.

Neither one of those countries is a party to the ICC and Russia actively defies it. And if the ICC is participating in a campaign of antisemitic persecution, it should be delegitimized.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2024, 12:25:37 PM »

Mike Johnson

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7SEkqmvDEp/

The US Government simply not putting up with Khan's idiocracy, with one level of threats. If the ICC pushes forward withbit's plans, then a second level of threats will emerge.

The US is empowering its adversaries like Russia and China with its idiotic attacks on international laws.

Neither one of those countries is a party to the ICC and Russia actively defies it. And if the ICC is participating in a campaign of antisemitic persecution, it should be delegitimized.
How is punishing criminals like Netanyahu antisemitic?

He's not an international criminal, this antisemitic court just lied and twisted the facts to create a fake case against him designed to create a precedent that will allow them to kidnap any Israeli with impunity. They won't be allowed to. Hope that helps.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2024, 10:18:41 PM »

Neither in Hamas’s. In fact, the only reason why Hamas hasn’t been wiped out yet is because the Gazan population is so hellbent on ensuring that they aren’t.

Half of the Gazan population is children.

And they are Hamas' hostages as well. Maximizing casualties among them is part of the Hamas strategy.

It's depraved, it's evil, and Israel makes an effort to minimize their deaths even as they're actively sabotaged. But they can not and will not let that make them abandon the war forced upon them.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2024, 05:02:26 PM »

At this point, is it fair to say people who are still defending Bibi are "bitter enders"? If your devotion to one terrible man has inspired you to attack the world's institutions of justice and international cooperation, consider stepping back and conducting a thorough internal reevaluation.

Thing is, a lot of the people who oppose the ICC here are definitely not Bibi fans.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2024, 08:59:37 AM »

At this point, is it fair to say people who are still defending Bibi are "bitter enders"? If your devotion to one terrible man has inspired you to attack the world's institutions of justice and international cooperation, consider stepping back and conducting a thorough internal reevaluation.

Thing is, a lot of the people who oppose the ICC here are definitely not Bibi fans.

Yeah, I’ve been vocally criticizing Netanyahu for over a decade.  He can’t go to prison for corruption fast enough as far as I’m concerned.  

Then your decision to go to bat for him here and elsewhere is baffling. Particularly when even pro-Israel American Dems (like Schumer) have gotten fed up with him and called for change (you called Fetterman a 'good man' for isolating himself on this issue) and when even folks in his own government are getting tired of his refusal to commit to a plan in Palestine.
This is specific to Bibi - I refuse to believe the disastrous mismanagement of this military operation, high civilian casualty count and its quagmire-like quality were inevitable. He has been worse than corrupt - he, as I've said before, has actively quashed efforts for peace by cultivating Hamas and opposing the two state solution (gambling that the former would stop the latter.) His rhetoric and that of other right wingers led to the assassination of Israel's leader in the 90s because they opposed such peace efforts.
While Hamas' leaders (and Qatar) get the biggest blame for the horrific terrorist attack against the Jewish people in October, I hold Bibi responsible for helping them gain power and resisting peace efforts, and for the aforementioned disastrous failure of a military operation that quickly isolated Israel on the global stage. He has intimated that he will not hold an election at any point for the duration of the war despite his cratered popularity, showing that he has an impetus to continue it indefinitely.
Bibi is not synonymous with Israel. If I were a voter there today I would call to hand him over. Then maybe the country can finally move forward with someone more competent at the helm who has an interest in actually resolving this situation.

The reason so many people who hate Bibi are still opposed to handing him over is because it would acknowledge ICC jurisdiction over Israelis, which could easily lead to Gantz being indicted - or worse, random Israeli soldiers or citizens - and Israel would have a far weaker leg to stand on in demanding those charges not be pursued.

Netanyahu needs to go to prison in Israel for corruption and possibly dereliction of duty.
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