Civil service: which country does it better?

[All Along The Watchtower]

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

UK. The american civil service seems far too politicized and unprofessional - a lot of its quirks seem like things you would absolutely never design if you were making a country from scratch and have been baked in from founding, despite "civil service reform" in the gilded era.

[Samof94]

UK. The american civil service seems far too politicized and unprofessional - a lot of its quirks seem like things you would absolutely never design if you were making a country from scratch and have been baked in from founding, despite "civil service reform" in the gilded era.

Exactly, the Bank of England is run by people skilled with finance, not politicians.

[vitoNova]

US, hands down and no contest.

USAjobs is the greatest federal civil service career website in existence.

A logical breakdown of job series, agency, location, and keyword search.

Just for pure sh1ts and giggles I pretended I was a limey and tried to search “limey jobs in Cyprus”, and immediately came across a brick wall. 

I had far more success searching American job openings in Cyprus (yes, they exist).

Sad!

[TDAS04]

China.

[Reactionary Libertarian]

Both countries have their issues but I vote USA because the civil service is much more democratic.

[ingemann]

Both countries have their issues but I vote USA because the civil service is much more democratic.

Having a civil service which is far more politicized is not a good thing..

[Reactionary Libertarian]

Both countries have their issues but I vote USA because the civil service is much more democratic.

Having a civil service which is far more politicized is not a good thing..

It’s full of ideologues anyways so I’d rather have a way to remove them.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Both countries have their issues but I vote USA because the civil service is much more democratic.

What is democratic about it?

[Reactionary Libertarian]

Both countries have their issues but I vote USA because the civil service is much more democratic.

What is democratic about it?

Elected officials have more control over it. Whitehall is notoriously “non-political” where even high-level positions don’t change hands after an election, but given that the civil servants overwhelmingly have one ideology, it’s not so “non-political”, is it? I mean if you’re a progressive you’re gonna love the non-political civil service because it has a decidedly progressive bent, in both the US and the UK.

Meanwhile if our civil service was more similar to Singapore’s in ideology I would be much more skeptical of direct political control.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Both countries have their issues but I vote USA because the civil service is much more democratic.

What is democratic about it?

Elected officials have more control over it. Whitehall is notoriously “non-political” where even high-level positions don’t change hands after an election, but given that the civil servants overwhelmingly have one ideology, it’s not so “non-political”, is it? I mean if you’re a progressive you’re gonna love the non-political civil service because it has a decidedly progressive bent, in both the US and the UK.

Meanwhile if our civil service was more similar to Singapore’s in ideology I would be much more skeptical of direct political control.

There is some appointed at the high level by elected officials in the US, but for the most part the hiring is just coming out of the bureaucracy itself, using whatever algorithms and complicated procedure have been built up to do it.

[Reactionary Libertarian]

Both countries have their issues but I vote USA because the civil service is much more democratic.

What is democratic about it?

Elected officials have more control over it. Whitehall is notoriously “non-political” where even high-level positions don’t change hands after an election, but given that the civil servants overwhelmingly have one ideology, it’s not so “non-political”, is it? I mean if you’re a progressive you’re gonna love the non-political civil service because it has a decidedly progressive bent, in both the US and the UK.

Meanwhile if our civil service was more similar to Singapore’s in ideology I would be much more skeptical of direct political control.

There is some appointed at the high level by elected officials in the US, but for the most part the hiring is just coming out of the bureaucracy itself, using whatever algorithms and complicated procedure have been built up to do it.

Still more democratic than the UK. And of course, if Trump wins and implements Schedule F things will be radically different.