Will 2028 be a free and fair election if Trump wins?

[Tekken_Guy]

Will 2028 be a free and fair election if Trump wins?

[Duke of York]

no.

[Trans Rights Are Human Rights]

Not likely, but possible. Voted option 2 since my waffling isn't an option.

[dw93]

As of now I say yes. I don't see Trump having coattails down ticket, the Democrats will retake the House, nor will he win the popular vote, thus he'd have no mandate. If the GOP wins big on election night and Trump wins the presidency decisively, that's where we'd have to start panicking.

[TodayJunior]

Yes. As was 2016, 2020, and 2024. Trump is not hitler contrary to popular opinions on the left side of the ledger.

[wnwnwn]

Why not?
Unless there is a part of Project2025 that at least implies that. (If that exist, cit it please).

[vtred]

You think there will be elections again if Trump wins in November...this is adorable

[Tekken_Guy]

You think there will be elections again if Trump wins in November...this is adorable

OK, what exactly is Trump’s plans to end elections?

[Ragnaroni]

I strongly believe that it is all hyperbole. 2020 was not rigged, it was fair. 2024 will be fair as well. 2028 will be fair. This is America, the tradition isn't going to die in 8 years

[Spectator]

If Trump wins in November, Democrats will still control the governorships of:
Arizona
Michigan
Wisconsin
Pennsylvania
Kansas
Maine
Minnesota

The Secretary of State offices in:
Nevada
Arizona
Michigan

And very likely the legislature in:
Nevada

Of the swing states, the only governorship and SOS office then Republicans will have (pending the results of North Carolina and New Hampshire) is Georgia. Notably, the current Georgia Governor and SOS went on record against Trump’s election interference

[Alben Barkley]

Even Russia and North Korea have not completely abolished “elections,” they maintain a laughable facade of “democracy.” 0% chance of option 3. Option 2 is a given however. Hopefully it will “just” be Trump doing everything he can to put his thumb on the scale but not to an insurmountable degree, and not outright rigging to ensure his preferred candidate wins no matter what. But unfortunately the latter cannot be ruled out given who we're talking about here.

[Alben Barkley]

I strongly believe that it is all hyperbole. 2020 was not rigged, it was fair. 2024 will be fair as well. 2028 will be fair. This is America, the tradition isn't going to die in 8 years

The country is already unrecognizable from what it was 8 years ago thanks to Trump. Your party in particular is beyond unrecognizable thanks to Trump. And Trump has gotten more and more extreme and insane and openly authoritarian and detached from reality and has dropped almost all facades of normalcy or respect for democracy or institutions. Something snapped in him when he lost in 2020 and he and the country went to a very dark place it has not emerged from since. It is the safest bet to assume he will continue to submerge us in deeper darkness, and that he will not risk again making the “mistake” of trying to play “nice” with the establishment like he did last time (in his mind). He will stuff his government with loyalist sycophants and purge all dissenters this time, and will dare the courts he stacked to do anything to stop him as he increasingly pushes Constitutional boundaries and ignores the law. (Why would this convicted felon start following the law now?) Mark my words.

[Tekken_Guy]

Even Russia and North Korea have not completely abolished “elections,” they maintain a laughable facade of “democracy.” 0% chance of option 3. Option 2 is a given however. Hopefully it will “just” be Trump doing everything he can to put his thumb on the scale but not to an insurmountable degree, and not outright rigging to ensure his preferred candidate wins no matter what. But unfortunately the latter cannot be ruled out given who we're talking about here.

I think the latter can be ruled out since Trump and the GOP don't have full control over elections in any swing state.

What are the odds of option 1?

[Alben Barkley]

Even Russia and North Korea have not completely abolished “elections,” they maintain a laughable facade of “democracy.” 0% chance of option 3. Option 2 is a given however. Hopefully it will “just” be Trump doing everything he can to put his thumb on the scale but not to an insurmountable degree, and not outright rigging to ensure his preferred candidate wins no matter what. But unfortunately the latter cannot be ruled out given who we're talking about here.

I think the latter can be ruled out since Trump and the GOP don't have full control over elections in any swing state.

What are the odds of option 1?

Oh but don’t you see? Trump will issue an executive order and/or demand Congress to deny the electors approved by the Democratic governors of any key states and instead accept “alternative electors” endorsed by Republicans. If Congress refuses, Trump will call on his supporters to coup the government again. Why not since he already did it once? And this time he might have prepared better to make sure at least part of the military and law enforcement is on his side too.

The odds of option 1 are the same as option 3. 0%. The idea that Trump wouldn’t at least try to rig the election is equally fantastical. It’s a question of degree and how successful he is, not whether he will try as that is guaranteed. Again, he already did it once. Nobody has any convincing argument for why he would not do it again.

[Tekken_Guy]

Even Russia and North Korea have not completely abolished “elections,” they maintain a laughable facade of “democracy.” 0% chance of option 3. Option 2 is a given however. Hopefully it will “just” be Trump doing everything he can to put his thumb on the scale but not to an insurmountable degree, and not outright rigging to ensure his preferred candidate wins no matter what. But unfortunately the latter cannot be ruled out given who we're talking about here.

I think the latter can be ruled out since Trump and the GOP don't have full control over elections in any swing state.

What are the odds of option 1?

Oh but don’t you see? Trump will issue an executive order and/or demand Congress to deny the electors approved by the Democratic governors of any key states and instead accept “alternative electors” endorsed by Republicans. If Congress refuses, Trump will call on his supporters to coup the government again. Why not since he already did it once? And this time he might have prepared better to make sure at least part of the military and law enforcement is on his side too.

The odds of option 1 are the same as option 3. 0%. The idea that Trump wouldn’t at least try to rig the election is equally fantastical. It’s a question of degree and how successful he is, not whether he will try as that is guaranteed. Again, he already did it once. Nobody has any convincing argument for why he would not do it again.

Would Trump trying to rig the election and failing count as option 1 or 2?

[Spectator]

Even Russia and North Korea have not completely abolished “elections,” they maintain a laughable facade of “democracy.” 0% chance of option 3. Option 2 is a given however. Hopefully it will “just” be Trump doing everything he can to put his thumb on the scale but not to an insurmountable degree, and not outright rigging to ensure his preferred candidate wins no matter what. But unfortunately the latter cannot be ruled out given who we're talking about here.

I think the latter can be ruled out since Trump and the GOP don't have full control over elections in any swing state.

What are the odds of option 1?

Oh but don’t you see? Trump will issue an executive order and/or demand Congress to deny the electors approved by the Democratic governors of any key states and instead accept “alternative electors” endorsed by Republicans. If Congress refuses, Trump will call on his supporters to coup the government again. Why not since he already did it once? And this time he might have prepared better to make sure at least part of the military and law enforcement is on his side too.

The odds of option 1 are the same as option 3. 0%. The idea that Trump wouldn’t at least try to rig the election is equally fantastical. It’s a question of degree and how successful he is, not whether he will try as that is guaranteed. Again, he already did it once. Nobody has any convincing argument for why he would not do it again.

How would Trump be able to rig a state-run election when he struggled mightily to do anything of note policy-wise at the federal level in his first term? Yes, he will probably try to rig it, but the chances are as close to zero as one can get that he’d be successful.