French National Assembly Elections, 06/30-07/07

[DL]

How is it possible that even a single solitary Muslim would vote for LePen? What percentage of German Jews voted for the Nazi party in 1932?

[Helsinkian]

How is it possible that even a single solitary Muslim would vote for LePen?

Mayotte is ~97% Muslim and voted 59% for Le Pen in 2022 on the second round. However, in the legislative elections, RN has not had the same success there.

[Coldstream]

How is it possible that even a single solitary Muslim would vote for LePen?

Mayotte is ~97% Muslim and voted 59% for Le Pen in 2022 on the second round. However, in the legislative elections, RN has not had the same success there.

I met a guy from Mayotte around the 2017 election and his literal only issue was hating Comoros/Comorian immigrants so he supported Le Pen.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

How is it possible that even a single solitary Muslim would vote for LePen?

Mayotte is ~97% Muslim and voted 59% for Le Pen in 2022 on the second round. However, in the legislative elections, RN has not had the same success there.

I met a guy from Mayotte around the 2017 election and his literal only issue was hating Comoros/Comorian immigrants so he supported Le Pen.

Mayotte is quite possibly the most fundamentally pro-Le Pen area in all of France.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Ciotti is under investigation for embezzlement of his campaign funds in the previous legislative election. Womp womp.

[Cassius]

Ciotti is under investigation for embezzlement of his campaign funds in the previous legislative election. Womp womp.

Thus proving that he is indeed the real heir to the Gaullist political tradition.

[Flyersfan232]

So do anyone outside of Corsica and mainland France ever get talked about as prime minister candidate or a presidential candidate?

[Cassius]

So do anyone outside of Corsica and mainland France ever get talked about as prime minister candidate or a presidential candidate?

Christiane Taubira, who is French Guianese and used to represent one of the constituencies there, stood as the candidate of the PRG in the infamous left-wing pile-up that was the 2002 presidential race (where seven left-wing candidates stood and managed to siphon off enough votes from the PS’ Lionel Jospin to knock him out in the first round). She also won the 2022 “People’s Primary”, which aimed to select a left-wing unity candidate for the presidential elections of the same year, but ultimately this process was ignored by the other left-wing candidates and she failed to get together the 500 nominations she needed to be a candidate.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Ciotti is under investigation for embezzlement of his campaign funds in the previous legislative election. Womp womp.

Mfw you try to kick out the shadowy people who know all the dirt. Come to think of it it’s not far off the plot of House of Cards.

[GoTfan]

Ciotti is under investigation for embezzlement of his campaign funds in the previous legislative election. Womp womp.

Mfw you try to kick out the shadowy people who know all the dirt. Come to think of it it’s not far off the plot of House of Cards.

As you said mate, Veep. The whole thing's just too funny.

[President Johnson]

How is it possible that even a single solitary Muslim would vote for LePen? What percentage of German Jews voted for the Nazi party in 1932?

Maybe either because they are critical of the European Union or just lack economic perspectives in life and believe Macron/the traditional parties have neglected them. So either a protest vote or simply to try something else after conservatives, socialists and then liberals all failed them over the last 20-25 years.

[Lumine]

Honest question because I've never delved deep into the French left, but why is Melenchon percieved as an acceptable - or more acceptable - choice in terms of shutting out Le Pen?

I'm not going for a both sides nonsense post because I get why Le Pen and the French far-right is so unpleasant and should not be trusted with power, but the criticism I've seen levelled at Melenchon and LFI points towards stuff like a personality cult, flirting with anti-semitism, a stance on Russia-Ukraine that seems just as bad as the FN, and so on.

I get that in any event he would not be appealing to me personally, but is the French left caught in a spiral in which they have to suck it up and stomach the man, or are there redeemable features? Or is it just Le Pen making Melenchon look acceptable to some by virtue of comparison?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Well, and if you'll forgive the crudeness of the metaphor, he has them all by the short and curlies doesn't he. He has a substantial following and the electoral ceiling having caved in on the wider French Left means that it is very hard to simply tell him to go **** himself. Of course because he is such a controversial figure he is an unpopular one, which, in turn, makes it harder to build a nice, new ceiling at an appropriate height...

[Epaminondas]

I get that in any event he would not be appealing to me personally, but is the French left caught in a spiral in which they have to suck it up and stomach the man, or are there redeemable features? Or is it just Le Pen making Melenchon look acceptable to some by virtue of comparison?

Le Pen wants to solve problems by letting people die or suffer. Mélenchon believes in positive ideals of democracy and egalitarianism. There's a reason young people and Muslims vote for him rather than the PS, and it's not his youth.
If you don't see the difference, you've been had by the both-sideism zeitgeist.

The Russia stuff is a throwaway plank of his platform - he has little interest in foreign affairs (not sure he even speaks English), he just reflexively cannot abide the US dictating French politics.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I can't stand Mélenchon and I hope to God he f**ks off soon so the French left can finally stop scaring off people who by any right ought to be its core voters, but equating him with far-right reactionaries is just absurd. Although unfortunately that's far from uncommon in French political discourse these days. That seems to be the line the Macronists have adopted, just calling everyone "extremists" and telling people not to vote in a runoff between the left and the far-right. Once upon a time French people clearly understood that fascism was a unique evil against which all other forces (including the commies back when they were overt stalinists) ought to band together. But obviously these times are long gone...

[OSR stands with Israel]

I get that in any event he would not be appealing to me personally, but is the French left caught in a spiral in which they have to suck it up and stomach the man, or are there redeemable features? Or is it just Le Pen making Melenchon look acceptable to some by virtue of comparison?

Le Pen wants to solve problems by letting people die or suffer. Mélenchon believes in positive ideals of democracy and egalitarianism. There's a reason young people and Muslims vote for him rather than the PS, and it's not his youth.
If you don't see the difference, you've been had by the both-sideism zeitgeist.

The Russia stuff is a throwaway plank of his platform - he has little interest in foreign affairs (not sure he even speaks English), he just reflexively cannot abide the US dictating French politics.

Le Pen is obviously better than Melenchon and it’s actually quite insane to consider this RN as similar her father’s RN .

Hopefully Macron chooses to work with Le Pen over Melanchon because Macron’s economic policies + a good deal of Le Pen’s immigration ones is exactly what France needs right now

[Antonio the Sixth]

Anyway, over 400k people signed up for proxy voting (the only option in France if you're not physically present at your polling place on election day), which is a historical record as far as I know. A lot of it is due to these elections coinciding with the beginning of Summer vacations, and the suddenness of the vote making there isn't much time to change plans. But hopefully it's also an indicator that turnout might be higher than it's been for a while.

[GoTfan]

I get that in any event he would not be appealing to me personally, but is the French left caught in a spiral in which they have to suck it up and stomach the man, or are there redeemable features? Or is it just Le Pen making Melenchon look acceptable to some by virtue of comparison?

Le Pen wants to solve problems by letting people die or suffer. Mélenchon believes in positive ideals of democracy and egalitarianism. There's a reason young people and Muslims vote for him rather than the PS, and it's not his youth.
If you don't see the difference, you've been had by the both-sideism zeitgeist.

The Russia stuff is a throwaway plank of his platform - he has little interest in foreign affairs (not sure he even speaks English), he just reflexively cannot abide the US dictating French politics.

Le Pen is obviously better than Melenchon and it’s actually quite insane to consider this RN as similar her father’s RN .

Hopefully Macron chooses to work with Le Pen over Melanchon because Macron’s economic policies + a good deal of Le Pen’s immigration ones is exactly what France needs right now

Macron's anti-worker policies are a big reason why he's so unpopular right now.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I get that in any event he would not be appealing to me personally, but is the French left caught in a spiral in which they have to suck it up and stomach the man, or are there redeemable features? Or is it just Le Pen making Melenchon look acceptable to some by virtue of comparison?

Le Pen wants to solve problems by letting people die or suffer. Mélenchon believes in positive ideals of democracy and egalitarianism. There's a reason young people and Muslims vote for him rather than the PS, and it's not his youth.
If you don't see the difference, you've been had by the both-sideism zeitgeist.

The Russia stuff is a throwaway plank of his platform - he has little interest in foreign affairs (not sure he even speaks English), he just reflexively cannot abide the US dictating French politics.

Le Pen is obviously better than Melenchon and it’s actually quite insane to consider this RN as similar her father’s RN .

Hopefully Macron chooses to work with Le Pen over Melanchon because Macron’s economic policies + a good deal of Le Pen’s immigration ones is exactly what France needs right now

Macron's anti-worker policies are a big reason why he's so unpopular right now.

France actually needs to increase their retirement age to like 65(which would still be more liberal than our one), increase the work week to 40 hours, and reform the labor markets.

In fact I would say what I think France needs with the coalition I proposed is basically a Thatcher of France

[Sol]

Le Pen is obviously better than Melenchon and it’s actually quite insane to consider this RN as similar her father’s RN .

Well of course this is what nasty little fascisti of your ilk think, but they were talking about sensible, goodhearted people, who always recognize the Satan of Fascism.

[GoTfan]

I get that in any event he would not be appealing to me personally, but is the French left caught in a spiral in which they have to suck it up and stomach the man, or are there redeemable features? Or is it just Le Pen making Melenchon look acceptable to some by virtue of comparison?

Le Pen wants to solve problems by letting people die or suffer. Mélenchon believes in positive ideals of democracy and egalitarianism. There's a reason young people and Muslims vote for him rather than the PS, and it's not his youth.
If you don't see the difference, you've been had by the both-sideism zeitgeist.

The Russia stuff is a throwaway plank of his platform - he has little interest in foreign affairs (not sure he even speaks English), he just reflexively cannot abide the US dictating French politics.

Le Pen is obviously better than Melenchon and it’s actually quite insane to consider this RN as similar her father’s RN .

Hopefully Macron chooses to work with Le Pen over Melanchon because Macron’s economic policies + a good deal of Le Pen’s immigration ones is exactly what France needs right now

Macron's anti-worker policies are a big reason why he's so unpopular right now.

France actually needs to increase their retirement age to like 65(which would still be more liberal than our one), increase the work week to 40 hours, and reform the labor markets.

In fact I would say what I think France needs with the coalition I proposed is basically a Thatcher of France

Thatcher is remembered as an extremely divisive PM to say the very least and in the north, is still very much hated. There is a reason why a certain song from The Wizard of Oz was played up there when she died.

[It's Perro Sanxe wot won it]

Regardless of your personal opinion of Mélenchon or whether you think this is justified or not, the reality is that he is far more toxic to the French electorate than Marine Le Pen is.

According to the latest Ifop presidential poll, 56% of Macron’s 2022 voters, 100% of Pécresse’s, and even 19% of PS and 27% of EELV voters would choose Le Pen over Mélenchon in a runoff. Overall, she would beat him by almost 30 points.

[lfromnj]

So does anyone have the breakdown of who got the more swingy seats between LFI/EELV/PS.

[xelas81]

Is the candidate list out yet?

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

How is it possible that even a single solitary Muslim would vote for LePen? What percentage of German Jews voted for the Nazi party in 1932?

Le Pen's strongest soldiers:

https://twitter.com/MLP_officiel/status/1782033117475131578?t=TmCyX9RSRyuvKvNkAb...