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« Reply #300 on: June 14, 2024, 04:54:54 PM »

La France Insoumise has shown their willingness to compromise and... graciously deigned to recognize that antisemitism exists. Beyond parody.

Quote from: Le Parisien
The New Popular Front finally agreed on condemning the "terrorist massacres" of Hamas, also calling for "an immediate ceasefire in Gaza and compliance with the order of the International Court of Justice (ICJ), which unambiguously refers to a risk of genocide".

It also acknowledges a "worrying, unprecedented explosion" in "racist, anti-Semitic and Islamophobic acts" in France, a clear response to Jean-Luc Mélenchon's disputed statement in early June that anti-Semitism "remains residual in France".

"The fight against racism and anti-Semitism will be "at the heart" of the New Popular Front's project for the legislative elections, PCF national secretary Fabien Roussel promised on Friday.

we stan the PS-PCF anti-nazbol alliance 🌹☭✊
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« Reply #301 on: June 14, 2024, 05:22:42 PM »

Poutou of NPA is standing in Carcassonne. Fitting choice as the city has a history with weird religious fanatics.
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« Reply #302 on: June 14, 2024, 05:25:21 PM »

La France Insoumise has shown their willingness to compromise and... graciously deigned to recognize that antisemitism exists. Beyond parody.

Quote from: Le Parisien
The New Popular Front finally agreed on condemning the "terrorist massacres" of Hamas, also calling for "an immediate ceasefire in Gaza and compliance with the order of the International Court of Justice (ICJ), which unambiguously refers to a risk of genocide".

It also acknowledges a "worrying, unprecedented explosion" in "racist, anti-Semitic and Islamophobic acts" in France, a clear response to Jean-Luc Mélenchon's disputed statement in early June that anti-Semitism "remains residual in France".

"The fight against racism and anti-Semitism will be "at the heart" of the New Popular Front's project for the legislative elections, PCF national secretary Fabien Roussel promised on Friday.

we stan the PS-PCF anti-nazbol alliance 🌹☭✊

Oh how very graceful of them. Maybe next they'll finally admit that Russia is an evil empire.
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« Reply #303 on: June 14, 2024, 06:09:18 PM »

Mini purge at the LFI camp with some Mélenchon critics replaced in their constituencies without prior notification.
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« Reply #304 on: June 14, 2024, 06:12:06 PM »

Poutou of NPA is standing in Carcassonne. Fitting choice as the city has a history with weird religious fanatics.
Since NPA joined the NPF, will the other left parties be standing down there?
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« Reply #305 on: June 14, 2024, 06:21:12 PM »

Well, a win's a win. FI people are animated by an absolute moral certainty that they are right against everyone else. To get them to eat their word on any issue is a monumental achievement, let alone something so core to their, er, identity. The sane parties of the left may have lost on the constituency allotment, but at least they won the ideological battle.
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« Reply #306 on: June 14, 2024, 06:23:23 PM »

Poutou of NPA is standing in Carcassonne. Fitting choice as the city has a history with weird religious fanatics.
Since NPA joined the NPF, will the other left parties be standing down there?

Yeah, the NPA's seats will be taken out of FI's allotment, just like Place Publique's will be taken out of PS', and Génération.s will be taken out of EELV's. There might be other microparties that are covered within the bigger parties' umbrella.
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« Reply #307 on: June 14, 2024, 06:26:00 PM »

Poutou of NPA is standing in Carcassonne. Fitting choice as the city has a history with weird religious fanatics.
Since NPA joined the NPF, will the other left parties be standing down there?

Yeah, the NPA's seats will be taken out of FI's allotment, just like Place Publique's will be taken out of PS', and Génération.s will be taken out of EELV's. There might be other microparties that are covered within the bigger parties' umbrella.
Will Besancenot run?
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« Reply #308 on: June 14, 2024, 06:36:05 PM »

Dear Leader Mélenchon is carrying out a small midnight Stalinist purge of LFI, evicting certain candidates without prior notice - Raquel Garrido, Alexis Corbière, Danielle Simonnet, Hendrik Davi, Frédéric Mathieu. The first three are fairly prominent figures of LFI, who have been with Mélenchon going back to the PG days (when Mélenchon left the PS at the Reims Congress in 2008), but had over the past few months become publicly critical of the Dear Leader (Garrido was suspended from the group for 4 months last year for having dared criticize Mélenchon; Corbière, her partner, was kicked out of the LFI leadership in 2022). On the other hand, LFI renominated Adrien Quatennens, the redhead wife beater in Lille, so their moral values are quite clear.

The victims of the midnight purge all lashed out in pretty strong terms against Mélenchon on social media, and have been supported by two other critical/independent voices, Clémentine Autain and François Ruffin, the latter tweeting:



All five purged deputies have said they'd still run as candidates.
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« Reply #309 on: June 14, 2024, 06:47:11 PM »

Poutou of NPA is standing in Carcassonne. Fitting choice as the city has a history with weird religious fanatics.
Poutou is the best politician in France.
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« Reply #310 on: June 14, 2024, 09:18:09 PM »

In all fairness, it seems like PS is very reasonable and realizes that the big threat is coming from the right. Even Hollande has endorsed the alliance.

but this LFI infighting is stupid... . Melenchon has to go and be replaced tbh. But do that sh**t after the election.

Still only one option here, NFP no matter what, regardless of what faction they are from.

Poutou of NPA is standing in Carcassonne. Fitting choice as the city has a history with weird religious fanatics.
Poutou is the best politician in France.

Hopefully Poutou makes it in parliament. It would be good if all of the factions, the smaller ones have at least some kind of representation.
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« Reply #311 on: June 14, 2024, 10:53:03 PM »

In all fairness, it seems like PS is very reasonable and realizes that the big threat is coming from the right. Even Hollande has endorsed the alliance.

but this LFI infighting is stupid... . Melenchon has to go and be replaced tbh. But do that sh**t after the election.

Still only one option here, NFP no matter what, regardless of what faction they are from.

Poutou of NPA is standing in Carcassonne. Fitting choice as the city has a history with weird religious fanatics.
Poutou is the best politician in France.

Hopefully Poutou makes it in parliament. It would be good if all of the factions, the smaller ones have at least some kind of representation.

the issue with that is, from most things I've seen, Melenchon basically is LFI. Or at least a very significant chunk of it that would cripple the party if he were to leave, especially if it wasn't on good terms.

I wouldn't have tears for LFI falling apart, but it would probably cripple the French left since I expect a number of LFI people simply wouldn't vote if they were gone.
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« Reply #312 on: June 15, 2024, 12:26:17 AM »

Still wondering why there has been so much emphasis for both sides trying to present one candidate in the first round. There’s the runoff to sort these things out. Or is it that the compressed nature of the snap election is stampeding everyone to get their act together right now and not have to worry about post first round discussions.
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« Reply #313 on: June 15, 2024, 12:51:52 AM »

Still wondering why there has been so much emphasis for both sides trying to present one candidate in the first round. There’s the runoff to sort these things out. Or is it that the compressed nature of the snap election is stampeding everyone to get their act together right now and not have to worry about post first round discussions.
Having many candidates runs the risk of none getting into the runoff.

For example, here’s a hypothetical constituency result:

RN: 33.1%
ENS: 23.4%
LFI: 18.8%
PS: 17.2%

Combined the left would have enough to get into the second round, but due to vote splitting now it’s down to a Macronista or RN person.
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« Reply #314 on: June 15, 2024, 02:44:52 AM »

Honestly,Mélenchon is the reason why the left cannot win in France, too scary and too sectarian.
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« Reply #315 on: June 15, 2024, 03:13:52 AM »

Honestly,Mélenchon is the reason why the left cannot win in France, too scary and too sectarian.
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« Reply #316 on: June 15, 2024, 03:56:56 AM »

The other parties of the left need to endorse the FI dissidents, giving them the Popular Front banner to eun on. We need to unequivocally show that we won't take this sh*t from Mélenchon anymore. And I doubt FI can afford to retaliate.
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« Reply #317 on: June 15, 2024, 04:04:28 AM »

Is not the best outcome for RN is for RN to be the largest party but fall short of a majority by some distance?  Then an anti-RN grand alliance government is formed which positions RN in 2027 to be the one and only anti-incumbent and anti-status quo choice.
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« Reply #318 on: June 15, 2024, 05:00:22 AM »

Is not the best outcome for RN is for RN to be the largest party but fall short of a majority by some distance?  Then an anti-RN grand alliance government is formed which positions RN in 2027 to be the one and only anti-incumbent and anti-status quo choice.

Highly doubtful that would ever happen, at least assuming you'd need both LR and FI to make that work. At this point, those parties have less in common with one another than they have with RN, and even the anti-Ciotti faction of LR includes people like Bellamy who openly stated he would call to vote for RN in a duel with FI.
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« Reply #319 on: June 15, 2024, 05:20:09 AM »

The other parties of the left need to endorse the FI dissidents, giving them the Popular Front banner to eun on. We need to unequivocally show that we won't take this sh*t from Mélenchon anymore. And I doubt FI can afford to retaliate.
What would stop Melenchon from just leaving the alliance in such a scenario? He doesn't seem like the type to care much for the parliamentary presence or anything other than becoming President, and he would still have an incumbency bonus in 50-60 seats.
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« Reply #320 on: June 15, 2024, 05:27:21 AM »

The other parties of the left need to endorse the FI dissidents, giving them the Popular Front banner to eun on. We need to unequivocally show that we won't take this sh*t from Mélenchon anymore. And I doubt FI can afford to retaliate.
WE are headed that way it seems
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« Reply #321 on: June 15, 2024, 06:08:29 AM »

The other parties of the left need to endorse the FI dissidents, giving them the Popular Front banner to eun on. We need to unequivocally show that we won't take this sh*t from Mélenchon anymore. And I doubt FI can afford to retaliate.
What would stop Melenchon from just leaving the alliance in such a scenario? He doesn't seem like the type to care much for the parliamentary presence or anything other than becoming President, and he would still have an incumbency bonus in 50-60 seats.

FI obviously cares about its parliamentary presence, or it wouldn't have negotiated this deal in the first place. Mélenchon must know at this point that his chances of becoming President are slim, and his best shot at staying relevant run through the FI parliamentary group (there was even talk of him running again this year, though it seems he decided against it). No one can afford a complete break from the deal they just painstakingly negotiated. But standing with the purged FI incumbents seems worth the gamble, especially since the combination of incumbency and Popular Front endorsement should make them favorites.
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« Reply #322 on: June 15, 2024, 06:43:20 AM »

since marcon will still control defense and foregin policy will the minister for though departments be from his party?
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« Reply #323 on: June 15, 2024, 08:37:15 AM »

Not trying to defend Macron here (I'd vote for the Popular Front unless my constituency's candidate was from LFI) but it seems that the Macronistas are the only coalition that hasn't had some form of significant chaos.

Anyone with more knowledge of French politics know any more about the RE campaign?
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« Reply #324 on: June 15, 2024, 09:08:30 AM »

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