Hillary blames women for her loss

[Horus]

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1794379402052055327?t=26E5wSVOWMxDB2p8oyqKmA&...

Still hasn't taken an iota of accountability.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

She should she was much better than Trump

[DrScholl]

At the end of the day voters are the ones who put Trump into office over inane ideas like entertainment values and "telling it like it is". And like it or not plenty of voters are ignorant enough to believe that a woman cannot be President based being too emotional or too hysterical (which is ridiculous since the most hysterical politicians are usually men).

Clinton made mistakes like picking a running mate that was too much like her and not annihilating Trump early enough on the airwaves, but voters have the most responsibility to bare for Trump. It never was about Clinton, it was about keeping the country out of an insane person's control.

[Obama24]

At the end of the day voters are the ones who put Trump into office over inane ideas like entertainment values and "telling it like it is". And like it or not plenty of voters are ignorant enough to believe that a woman cannot be President based being too emotional or too hysterical (which is ridiculous since the most hysterical politicians are usually men).

Clinton made mistakes like picking a running mate that was too much like her and not annihilating Trump early enough on the airwaves, but voters have the most responsibility to bare for Trump. It never was about Clinton, it was about keeping the country out of an insane person's control.

No, ultimately, it's the candidates fault for not selling her message well enough. Elections are sales and marketing.

[DrScholl]

At the end of the day voters are the ones who put Trump into office over inane ideas like entertainment values and "telling it like it is". And like it or not plenty of voters are ignorant enough to believe that a woman cannot be President based being too emotional or too hysterical (which is ridiculous since the most hysterical politicians are usually men).

Clinton made mistakes like picking a running mate that was too much like her and not annihilating Trump early enough on the airwaves, but voters have the most responsibility to bare for Trump. It never was about Clinton, it was about keeping the country out of an insane person's control.

No, ultimately, it's the candidates fault for not selling her message well enough. Elections are sales and marketing.

Only people who can't think for themselves need to be spoonfed that much by the candidates. There was a clear difference between the two candidates and people just didn't believe what Clinton warned about Trump or that the Supreme Court was at stake.

[Obama24]

At the end of the day voters are the ones who put Trump into office over inane ideas like entertainment values and "telling it like it is". And like it or not plenty of voters are ignorant enough to believe that a woman cannot be President based being too emotional or too hysterical (which is ridiculous since the most hysterical politicians are usually men).

Clinton made mistakes like picking a running mate that was too much like her and not annihilating Trump early enough on the airwaves, but voters have the most responsibility to bare for Trump. It never was about Clinton, it was about keeping the country out of an insane person's control.

No, ultimately, it's the candidates fault for not selling her message well enough. Elections are sales and marketing.

Only people who can't think for themselves need to be spoonfed that much by the candidates. There was a clear difference between the two candidates and people just didn't believe what Clinton warned about Trump or that the Supreme Court was at stake.

If she was a better candidate, people would've believed her more. If Obama was running, people would've believed him and listened to him. Whether you like it or not, politics is sales. She proved to be a poor salesman, and a bad messenger for things people needed to hear.  

[DrScholl]

At the end of the day voters are the ones who put Trump into office over inane ideas like entertainment values and "telling it like it is". And like it or not plenty of voters are ignorant enough to believe that a woman cannot be President based being too emotional or too hysterical (which is ridiculous since the most hysterical politicians are usually men).

Clinton made mistakes like picking a running mate that was too much like her and not annihilating Trump early enough on the airwaves, but voters have the most responsibility to bare for Trump. It never was about Clinton, it was about keeping the country out of an insane person's control.

No, ultimately, it's the candidates fault for not selling her message well enough. Elections are sales and marketing.

Only people who can't think for themselves need to be spoonfed that much by the candidates. There was a clear difference between the two candidates and people just didn't believe what Clinton warned about Trump or that the Supreme Court was at stake.

If she was a better candidate, people would've believed her more. If Obama was running, people would've believed him and listened to him. Whether you like it or not, politics is sales. She proved to be a poor salesman, and a bad messenger for things people needed to hear.  

Again, the choice was clear and the repercussions proved that. In the same vein Trump was telling people who he was the whole time and nobody believed him. How do you spin that?

[Benjamin Frank 2.0]

It would be nice if people on these sorts of things would post the full quote because often especially a headline does not match what the person says (especially a person such as Hilary Clinton). Nobody should trust a headline about a Hilary Clinton quote from 'The Hill.'

I also find it bizarre here all the people who claim they don't trust the media but then immediately respond to a headline from The Hill as if it's an accurate summary.

At a minimum I would certainly expect that what Hilary Clinton said was far more nuanced than this headline suggests.

Finally, Hilary Clinton certainly accepts responsibility far more than traitor grifter rapist Donald Trump does. The idiot Trump cult doesn't seem to care that he never accepts responsibility for anything (but is quick to take credit for everything.)

[Obama24]

At the end of the day voters are the ones who put Trump into office over inane ideas like entertainment values and "telling it like it is". And like it or not plenty of voters are ignorant enough to believe that a woman cannot be President based being too emotional or too hysterical (which is ridiculous since the most hysterical politicians are usually men).

Clinton made mistakes like picking a running mate that was too much like her and not annihilating Trump early enough on the airwaves, but voters have the most responsibility to bare for Trump. It never was about Clinton, it was about keeping the country out of an insane person's control.

No, ultimately, it's the candidates fault for not selling her message well enough. Elections are sales and marketing.

Only people who can't think for themselves need to be spoonfed that much by the candidates. There was a clear difference between the two candidates and people just didn't believe what Clinton warned about Trump or that the Supreme Court was at stake.

If she was a better candidate, people would've believed her more. If Obama was running, people would've believed him and listened to him. Whether you like it or not, politics is sales. She proved to be a poor salesman, and a bad messenger for things people needed to hear.  

Again, the choice was clear and the repercussions proved that. In the same vein Trump was telling people who he was the whole time and nobody believed him. How do you spin that?

The media spent over a year normalizing and reporting on every single thing he said. After a while people become numb when they are bombarded night after night with crazy things. The media normalized him and platformed him. People tended to trust the mainstream media.

Also, we are talking about a woman who lost the nomination in 2008 to a black man in a historically racist country whose middle name was Hussein; and then fought a competitive campaign against an elderly open socialist from Vermont who most people had never heard of.

She just wasn't that great of a candidate.

[DrScholl]

At the end of the day voters are the ones who put Trump into office over inane ideas like entertainment values and "telling it like it is". And like it or not plenty of voters are ignorant enough to believe that a woman cannot be President based being too emotional or too hysterical (which is ridiculous since the most hysterical politicians are usually men).

Clinton made mistakes like picking a running mate that was too much like her and not annihilating Trump early enough on the airwaves, but voters have the most responsibility to bare for Trump. It never was about Clinton, it was about keeping the country out of an insane person's control.

No, ultimately, it's the candidates fault for not selling her message well enough. Elections are sales and marketing.

Only people who can't think for themselves need to be spoonfed that much by the candidates. There was a clear difference between the two candidates and people just didn't believe what Clinton warned about Trump or that the Supreme Court was at stake.

If she was a better candidate, people would've believed her more. If Obama was running, people would've believed him and listened to him. Whether you like it or not, politics is sales. She proved to be a poor salesman, and a bad messenger for things people needed to hear.  

Again, the choice was clear and the repercussions proved that. In the same vein Trump was telling people who he was the whole time and nobody believed him. How do you spin that?

The media spent over a year normalizing and reporting on every single thing he said. After a while people become numb when they are bombarded night after night with crazy things. The media normalized him and platformed him. People tended to trust the mainstream media.

Also, we are talking about a woman who lost the nomination in 2008 to a black man in a historically racist country whose middle name was Hussein; and then fought a competitive campaign against an elderly open socialist from Vermont who most people had never heard of.

She just wasn't that great of a candidate.

At this point it is all moot because the damage is done. But the idea that voters don't have to think for themselves and need to be told how to vote is stupid. If a serial killer runs for office are you going to vote for him because he has a good platform and presents himself well?

[Landslide Lyndon]

Still hasn't taken an iota of accountability.

Just because you ignore everything she says that is contrary to your preferred narrative that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/12/politics/hillary-clinton-what-happened-mistakes/index.html

[Benjamin Frank 2.0]

[Ferguson97]

The election was so close that you could credibly blame her loss on pretty much any single factor.

[Pres Mike]

She isn’t wrong

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

It would be nice if people on these sorts of things would post the full quote because often especially a headline does not match what the person says (especially a person such as Hilary Clinton). Nobody should trust a headline about a Hilary Clinton quote from 'The Hill.'

I also find it bizarre here all the people who claim they don't trust the media but then immediately respond to a headline from The Hill as if it's an accurate summary.

At a minimum I would certainly expect that what Hilary Clinton said was far more nuanced than this headline suggests.

In the time it took you to write this post you could have just... looked into the further context yourself in the article.

“They left me because they just couldn’t take a risk on me, because as a woman, I’m supposed to be perfect,” Clinton said in an interview with The New Times, published Saturday. “They were willing to take a risk on [former President Trump] — who had a long list of, let’s call them flaws, to illustrate his imperfection — because he was a man, and they could envision a man as president and commander in chief.”

I'm not an NYT subscriber so I'm not going to look for the full context but, yes, the headline seems appropriate! (Horus's thread title notwithstanding).

Anyway, we've had interviews like this come out at least once per year for the last seven years. They're white noise at this point. I couldn't care less what Hillary thinks cost her the election and I don't care how people respond to whatever she says either.

[Benjamin Frank 2.0]

It would be nice if people on these sorts of things would post the full quote because often especially a headline does not match what the person says (especially a person such as Hilary Clinton). Nobody should trust a headline about a Hilary Clinton quote from 'The Hill.'

I also find it bizarre here all the people who claim they don't trust the media but then immediately respond to a headline from The Hill as if it's an accurate summary.

At a minimum I would certainly expect that what Hilary Clinton said was far more nuanced than this headline suggests.

In the time it took you to write this post you could have just... looked into the further context yourself in the article.

“They left me because they just couldn’t take a risk on me, because as a woman, I’m supposed to be perfect,” Clinton said in an interview with The New Times, published Saturday. “They were willing to take a risk on [former President Trump] — who had a long list of, let’s call them flaws, to illustrate his imperfection — because he was a man, and they could envision a man as president and commander in chief.”

I'm not an NYT subscriber so I'm not going to look for the full context but, yes, the headline seems appropriate! (Horus's thread title notwithstanding).

Anyway, we've had interviews like this come out at least once per year for the last seven years. They're white noise at this point. I couldn't care less what Hillary thinks cost her the election and I don't care how people respond to whatever she says either.

I'm not sure why Horus couldn't have added that quote, but it still doesn't say who the 'they' is. Is it 'women'? Is it a certain subset of women? Maybe she wasn't even referring to women.

She's certainly not wrong in so far as polls still show that many more people won't vote for a woman for President than for a man. There certainly should be nothing controversial about that quote for anybody to make anything out of, and it certainly doesn't suggest she's unwilling to take responsibility.

[Mr. Smith]

At the end of the day voters are the ones who put Trump into office over inane ideas like entertainment values and "telling it like it is". And like it or not plenty of voters are ignorant enough to believe that a woman cannot be President based being too emotional or too hysterical (which is ridiculous since the most hysterical politicians are usually men).

Clinton made mistakes like picking a running mate that was too much like her and not annihilating Trump early enough on the airwaves, but voters have the most responsibility to bare for Trump. It never was about Clinton, it was about keeping the country out of an insane person's control.

No, ultimately, it's the candidates fault for not selling her message well enough. Elections are sales and marketing.

Only people who can't think for themselves need to be spoonfed that much by the candidates. There was a clear difference between the two candidates and people just didn't believe what Clinton warned about Trump or that the Supreme Court was at stake.

If she was a better candidate, people would've believed her more. If Obama was running, people would've believed him and listened to him. Whether you like it or not, politics is sales. She proved to be a poor salesman, and a bad messenger for things people needed to hear. 

Again, the choice was clear and the repercussions proved that. In the same vein Trump was telling people who he was the whole time and nobody believed him. How do you spin that?

The media spent over a year normalizing and reporting on every single thing he said. After a while people become numb when they are bombarded night after night with crazy things. The media normalized him and platformed him. People tended to trust the mainstream media.

Also, we are talking about a woman who lost the nomination in 2008 to a black man in a historically racist country whose middle name was Hussein; and then fought a competitive campaign against an elderly open socialist from Vermont who most people had never heard of.

She just wasn't that great of a candidate.

Biden also lost that nomination in '08, and he also lost to Gov. "Let Willie Horton loose" Dukakis to plagiarism charges, to say nothing of his joke of a starting a campaign that needed the Conservative Media to bail him out in time for SC after getting whooped everywhere else, to this same socialist.

At least Hillary won Iowa and the most populous state primary, and could hold with Latinos!

But sure, a slight miss in Florida [which Biden did worse in] and Arizona make her worse than this guy!

And I'm no Hillary-stan btw, I voted for Stagnant Sanders twice. I just find the line of thought here to be very absurd.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

We got racist Gorsuch instead of Garland even more reason than ever before to pack the Crt, they put in a racist judge in purpose


We only need 2 more Ds not 4 to balance 7/6 this will be debated once we get the Trifecta

Just like Axelerod made Kerry picked Edwards instead of Gephardt and we got Alito Kaine and Edwards should of been cabinet not VP

[Oregon Eagle Politics]

Hillary has no one to blame but herself after her historically terrible campaign.

[Indy Texas 🇺🇦🇵🇸]

Can she (and her disgusting letch of a husband) please just go away and sin no more?

Was Kim Campbell still whining in the early 2000s about how her political career ended?

[Progressive Pessimist]

Honestly, many didn't take the threat of Trump appointing Justices very seriously. And now look where we're at.

Once again, Clinton doesn't give a f*** anymore, and she has more than earned that right. I admire it.

[DrScholl]

Honestly, many didn't take the threat of Trump appointing Justices very seriously. And now look where we're at.

Once again, Clinton doesn't give a f*** anymore, and she has more than earned that right. I addmire it.

Exactly. None of this was ever about Hillary Clinton but about the stability of the nation. Too many voters wanted to stick it to Clinton as opposed to doing what was right for the country. Now some of those people will holler impeach the conservative justices which is impossible.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Honestly, many didn't take the threat of Trump appointing Justices very seriously. And now look where we're at.

Once again, Clinton doesn't give a f*** anymore, and she has more than earned that right. I addmire it.

Exactly. None of this was ever about Hillary Clinton but about the stability of the nation. Too many voters wanted to stick it to Clinton as opposed to doing what was right for the country. Now some of those people will holler impeach the conservative justices which is impossible.

And history might just be repeating itself with Biden now. They'll regret that too if Trump gets elected and appoints up to three more Justices. It doesn't have to happen!

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A certain woman decided to run ads in California and Texas  and not Michigan or Wisconsin.

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

I'm not sure why Horus couldn't have added that quote, but it still doesn't say who the 'they' is. Is it 'women'? Is it a certain subset of women? Maybe she wasn't even referring to women.

Again - you have the power and ability to seek this out for yourself! If you are unsure about this I encourage you to read the source interview.

She's certainly not wrong in so far as polls still show that many more people won't vote for a woman for President than for a man. There certainly should be nothing controversial about that quote for anybody to make anything out of, and it certainly doesn't suggest she's unwilling to take responsibility.

This debate is ancient at this point, and extremely tedious, so I'm not going to put a lot of effort into  pointing out the many, many reasons why it is ridiculous. But I have so, so little patience for this kind of argument these days.

If you take the premise seriously - that women face an electoral penalty from voters that men don't face - then the obvious conclusion is that women shouldn't be running in at all in any movement that wants to win elections. The only goal of a Presidential candidate is to win the damn race. If Hillary was aware of this risk and decided to run despite the massive handicap - not only that but embrace it as part of her campaign - then she was committing malpractice that was extremely damaging to any movement that she supports. You don't get to choose to run for office then complain that you face a unique disadvantage when you don't win - if you're taking your job and this apparently obvious disadvantage seriously, then you shouldn't run in the first place.

As far as "responsibility" goes, it's hard to think of anything further from taking responsibility than her quote. "Voters didn't vote for me because they demanded perfection" only makes sense if you assume the premise that you are not perfect, i.e., made mistakes. Yet the blame here doesn't lie with her for making mistakes, but instead with the voters because they did not tolerate her mistakes. It's honestly embarrassing that you'd even think of arguing that the quoted passage looks anything like taking responsibility.

And before I get assaulted with personal attacks I voted for Clinton twice in 2016 and was a diehard Warren supporter until it was obvious her campaign was not viable.