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« on: December 11, 2016, 11:36:54 PM »

You realize that article is about an entirely different country, right?
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2016, 11:46:27 PM »

I cannot understand how anyone can deny that the incoming generation is xenophobic trash. Have they never visited say, any popular social media site? Not a single one?

"Do u even anecdotal evidence, bro?"

Look, we have absolutely no way of knowing this. That said, stereotyping all young people as Nazis is one way to make that stereotype come true.
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2016, 11:50:34 PM »

I think Gen Z will end up being slightly more conservative than us Millennials, at least fiscally, but I'd see them as MUCH more socially liberal than us.

They're all being inspired by sh**tty memes and twerking videos on the internet at the moment. So I don't have hope for them.

As opposed to those intellectual, high-brow memes that we were inspired by in 2010?
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2016, 07:37:19 AM »

I can't find the study itself, but the British study seems to have a sample size of 2,000--including people of all ages (fourteen and above). So Generation Z (which they're defining as ages fourteen and fifteen) is a pretty small subsample of that--maybe 30 people or so. Point is, I wouldn't put too much stock into that study, at least as a way of providing meaningful information about Generation Z.
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2016, 08:22:34 AM »

If the hypothesis that older Millennials are "voting against Bush their whole lives" then that would apply to Generation Z as well if Trump is as disastrous as I expect him to be.
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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2016, 10:13:35 AM »

"They're nazis!"

"They're SJW communists!"

You're all missing the point. The defining trait of Generation Z is extremism, and that's bad news for both parties.

Can we even say that at this point? They're fifteen years old at most, and the closest thing we have to a poll of them is a tiny subsample of a British poll by a marketing group, and anecdotal stories from ClassicConservative's school.
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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2016, 11:10:27 AM »

"They're nazis!"

"They're SJW communists!"

You're all missing the point. The defining trait of Generation Z is extremism, and that's bad news for both parties.

Can we even say that at this point? They're fifteen years old at most, and the closest thing we have to a poll of them is a tiny subsample of a British poll by a marketing group, and anecdotal stories from ClassicConservative's school.

Maybe. I've read that Generation Z can start as early as 96, meaning that 20 year olds like myself would be the start of it. Some sites claim that it's the generation that doesn't remember 9/11, which would include me oddly enough.

I generally consider it to start at 2001. And the OP of this thread claims that they're voting for the first time this cycle, which implies that it wouldn't include 1996ers. Also OP links to a flawed British study of fourteen- and fifteen-year-olds.
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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2016, 04:02:16 PM »

As I said before the poll is of the UK and it is a tiny subsample so can safely be ignored even if we were discussing British politics here. It's kind of like those Google polls that had Clinton way ahead in Kansas.

And I don't really see a pushback on trans rights--that sort of thing hasn't happened with any other civil rights movement.
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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2016, 05:59:56 PM »

I expect the gender gap to get bigger, if my Facebook feed is any indication.
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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2016, 06:11:04 PM »


I think we can exaggerate the influence of both movements. The vast majority of Americans of all generations are not interested in politics enough to define as either alt right or SJW or whatever.

What about all those memes? Surely they must have significant political influence over the younger generations given that for may of them memes might be their only source of political information besides their family/schooling. 

And it seems like the extremists have a monopoly on memes. That can't be good.

What do you mean by "extremists" here?
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2016, 09:30:03 PM »

I expect the gender gap to get bigger, if my Facebook feed is any indication.


Men are becoming more like the President Elect? Very sad.

I'm not saying that individual men are getting more conservative, Republican, or pro-Trump, just that the gap is wider among younger people. It's anecdotal of course so it's hard to get more specific than that.
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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2016, 02:20:58 PM »

I expect the gender gap to get bigger, if my Facebook feed is any indication.


Men are becoming more like the President Elect? Very sad.

I'm not saying that individual men are getting more conservative, Republican, or pro-Trump, just that the gap is wider among younger people. It's anecdotal of course so it's hard to get more specific than that.

That's what happens when Playboy is replaced by 4chan for "cheap and legitimate relief".

I think the trend is stronger among women though, which is why overall young people are getting more Democratic.

I think it does have to do with cyberbalkanization; people who spend a lot of time on the Internet end up in bubbles that are largely dominated by people of their own gender.

The UK exit polls from 2015 do seem to show a widening gender gap among younger people, although I'm not sure how accurate that is.
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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2016, 05:45:08 PM »

I don't see much of a relationship between avoiding risks and political ideology. The study says kids are less likely to do drugs or have sex, but that doesn't mean a political change. It could be a social change caused by the rise of the internet and video games. Besides conservatives often say it's a bad thing kids are too coddled/risk averse, but this article seems to think it's a good thing. Which is it?

I already debunked the study linked in the OP.
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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2016, 10:46:48 PM »

I don't see much of a relationship between avoiding risks and political ideology. The study says kids are less likely to do drugs or have sex, but that doesn't mean a political change. It could be a social change caused by the rise of the internet and video games. Besides conservatives often say it's a bad thing kids are too coddled/risk averse, but this article seems to think it's a good thing. Which is it?

I already debunked the study linked in the OP.

There is another study on polling report that says 13s, 15s, and 17s are doing less "bad" things as well. It seems that risk taking behavior could be rare in adolescents by the middish of this century if the pendulum doesn't swing back.

It could be for tons of reasons though. Mom wouldn't let me drive in HS. Only got to second base during high school. Had to wait for first semester of College and it almost didn't happen. They thought I wasn't ready for University, so I went to the Jr College down the road for my 1st semester. Had to really push to go to University lest I waited a full year. Was neither popular nor unpopular in HS was very unpopular in Jr College. I was "troubled", so they coddled me. My younger brothers pretty much did what they wanted, drove and got laid at 16. They didn't even party that much in HS or in undergrad. They smoked  a good deal, though. I did too until met someone who was moderately attractive and  had an above average job who straightened me out. She even had work done for me but then she got depressed, gained a lot of weight, and threw me out when it looked like we would have to be open to relocate for me to find work. I've been only been a social drinker and strictly alcohol since  then.

Someone should draw conclusions about the youth from this.

Link to that study?
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